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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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how you doing today's wednesday april 6

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96 days into the new year only 269 days

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left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere a total

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undisclosed location but it is beautiful

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in here

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer and an x networks raise hobbs

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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all right everything is fine folks

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everything is fine

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tonight very special guest don ecker is

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with us for the first time

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can't believe it don ecker is on my show

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this is going to be amazing so stay

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tuned

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don't be with us at the bottom of the

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hour we rescheduled last night obviously

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some technical difficulties went down

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with our software not the internet the

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and uh and it did too by the way it went

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completely wonky we worked on it uh

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after the show went down last night and

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version of the show was broadcasting out

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but it was yeah it just

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you know it just threw me for a curve

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and and so we shut things down but flat

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earth dave will be with us tomorrow

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flat earth dave with this tomorrow and i

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am so happy that he was able to

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reschedule

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so that's uh tomorrow night tonight don

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ecker is here

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and uh we decided uh

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the issues that cropped up with with

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some very expensive software i might add

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and i don't i don't rag on anybody so

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i'm not going to say who what or where

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man i mean it's expensive it's it's

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and uh i'm pulling the plug so we are

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of all the weekends so this is the one

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weekend where i can't do things and it's

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not just a software thing

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change but then there's some logistical

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things that have to go down here in the

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studio and i've got to reconfigure

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computers i got to pull a computer out

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i've gotta have another computer pick up

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some tasks i've got to move the phone

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lines over to another computer

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and there you go and with everything

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that's going to go down

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no less cables though

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i'm not eliminating any cables

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uh but uh all that's gonna go down and

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i've got a a full weekend in front of me

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is is gonna be great and i'm not uh

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canceling my weekend for this so uh we

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uh the next week and then probably a

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be prepared it will be a a whole new

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get ready for that everything else is

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staying the same as far as broadcasting

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and where you're going and and where

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you're listening to none of that changes

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i'm just talking about the format what

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you are going to see how it is going to

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there you go you know my biggest concern

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but this is set up this has a keyboard

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and mouse sitting in front of it

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but i can't be doing this with the

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phones all night right i i can't do that

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so that my biggest concern where do i

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so and i've got all these mises over

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and uh ah man so that's like my biggest

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concern how do i how do i increase

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footprint for me

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there you go all right everybody wants

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their own crystal skull maybe they're

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next to crystal skull

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get yours from carolyn ford

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einstein the crystalskull.com all easy

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to do just head over to

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jimmychurchradio.com click on the

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banners head over there

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and when you bond when you resonate when

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you pick out that skull

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just use the promo code jimmy at

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checkout that's all you got to do 10 off

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of your next

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or first crystal skull order today i

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will be speaking at the x conference

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it's coming up in a month it is may 13th

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through the 14th

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uh it's friday night and uh friday i'll

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be speaking on friday nights friday

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and saturday and

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uh just come and hang out with us i want

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you to go to the xnetwork xnetwork.com

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this is a completely online event

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uh friday night they're going to be

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doing a live

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paranormal

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investigation from 9 pm until midnight

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yeah right after i'm done speaking so

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there you go

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i'll see everybody there may 13th and

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14th go to unnextnetwork.com disclosure

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fest is coming up too

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i can't believe it we're in april that's

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it it's it's may it's june it's july

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everything is coming up very quickly so

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next up for me so there's one event for

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me in may coming up in june disclosure

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fest right here in los angeles and uh 30

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over 30 acres in downtown l.a at the los

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to chinatown in downtown los angeles one

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day event

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with music

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is going to be there the desert dwellers

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and they are just amazing poron gee even

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more amazing and uh workshops with billy

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carson he's going to be there adam

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apollo in person

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lori spania is going to be there laura

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eisenhower brad olson is going to be

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are you ready

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david palmer is going to be there man

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you know what that's it i'm going to get

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david on the show next week

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been talking to david about getting him

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on i'm going to have david palmer on the

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show next week you've got to check this

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guy out he's amazing

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everything you need is over at

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disclosurefest.org

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and then coming up in october

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i'll be in egypt with billy carson this

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october space is very limited we've

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okay so space is very limited please

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forbidden knowledge dot com not forbid

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knowledge dot tv forbidden knowledge dot

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let's get to the breaking news

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nasa is still aiming for a june launch

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after a second attempt at a final test

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for its artemis one mission to the moon

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was scrubbed yesterday

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it's the second scrubbing over the

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weekend nasa made its second attempt at

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what it calls a wet dress rehearsal

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which simulates every stage of a launch

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launch pad the rehearsal is a crucial

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return humans to the moon and land the

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first woman and the first person of

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there's no word yet on when the next

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attempt at a wet dress rehearsal

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all right tesla's ceo elon musk

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likely added 1 billion dollars already

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to his already large bank account

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that's right all this happened this week

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stake in twitter

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he disclosed the purchase in the

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securities and exchange commission

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at the beginning of the week more on

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this in just a bit sending twitter

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the stock closed up 27

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yesterday and continued to climb higher

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uh and it's the biggest rally

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since its trading debut

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in 2013. the filing dated march 14th

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think about that

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revealed that musk bought about 73.5

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million shares for roughly 2.9 billion

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dollars

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in the one day since he disclosed the

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purchase those shares have increased in

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the investment also boosted the net

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worth of former twitter ceo jack dorsey

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who holds a 2.25 percent stake in the

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company

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and he made about 200 million dollars

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after elon revealed his purchase

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last night an asteroid the size of a

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small house flew by earth

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according to nasa's center for

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near-earth object studies asteroid 2022

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gn1

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passed within 79 000 miles of our planet

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or about one-third of the distance

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between the earth and the moon although

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the space rock is categorized as

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potentially hazardous

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uh

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due to its close encounter with earth

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the asteroid didn't impact our planet i

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don't know if you noticed that

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rocket labs next mission

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will feature some aerial action we've

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never seen before that's because the

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californ the california

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based company is working to make its

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two-stage electron rocket

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partially reusable

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the plan calls for snatching

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falling electrons first stages out of

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the sky with a helicopter

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that's right right after launch a

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dramatic step that rocket lab will

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attempt for the first time on its next

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mission

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which is scheduled to lift off no

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earlier than april 19th

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let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today paul rudd

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53.

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zack braff

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is 47.

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michael rooker

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today is 67. billy d williams is 85

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and accepts

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udo dirk schneider man he is

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70 years old drummer johnny d is 59

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plays right now he's playing with doral

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pasch

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got fame and britney fox and the allman

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brothers guitarist warren haynes today

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our dead guy's birthday today is anita

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1942-2017 died at the age of 75. anita

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was a style icon and it girl

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of the 1960s and 70s and was credited as

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the muse

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of the rolling stones

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she was a romantic partner with brian

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jones and later from 1967 to 1980 keith

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richards with whom she had three

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children

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and also had a secret affair

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with mick

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jagger

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pretty much all of the same time

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jagger respected her opinion so much

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that tracks on beggar's banquet were

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remixed

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after she bagged on them

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in the 2002 compilation release of 40

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licks pollenberg is credited as singing

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background vocals on

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sympathy for the devil

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anita died on june 13 2017 at the age of

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75

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due to complications from hepatitis c

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happy birthday anita

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man on this day in history otd

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[Music]

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1968

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one of the biggest days of the 20th

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century

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2001 a space odyssey is released in

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theaters

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today we know the greatness of 2001 and

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it's regarded as one of the defining

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films of the 20th century but on the

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night of its debut

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stanley kubrick felt that

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he failed

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that's right on this day in 1968

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fader fact

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okay here you go this this this this is

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this is disturbing

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fader fact

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fresh water snails

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okay let me let me repeat that

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fresh water snails

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are among the deadliest creatures

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on the planet

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they carry and transmit a parasitic

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disease called are you ready

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schistosomiasis

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which measures which affects more than

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230 million people worldwide

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and it is second only to malaria as the

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fresh

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right

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there you go you're not going to be

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picking up one anytime soon are you

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tonight very special guest don ecker is

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with us

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and uh

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it's an honor and a privilege to have

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down on the show

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um tomorrow night rescheduled from last

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night is flat earth dave he will be

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joining us tomorrow night on thursday no

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fader night tomorrow tomorrow it's flat

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earth dave

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now it's time for me to hit this

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rivermoonwellness.com

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fade to black blend

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i like my coffee doc

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i do

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all right

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years ago

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someone labeled me

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the king of conspiracy i didn't do it

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somebody else did

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and

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it's true

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i love a good conspiracy

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i've done shows over the years i have

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list crazy conspiracies i have gone over

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them

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things that

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have gone either way i think you know i

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i well trip on this

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on march 24th

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march 24th

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elon musk tweeted a poll on twitter

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and he asked this

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twitter algorithm should be open source

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question mark followed by the poll the

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final results

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82.7 percent

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no

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17.3 percent

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with 1 million 117

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a day later

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on march 25th

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elon musk tweeted another poll

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that's right

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on twitter

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about twitter

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and he says

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free speech is essential to a

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functioning democracy

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do you believe twitter's rigorously

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adheres to this principle

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the consequences of this poll will be

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important

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please vote carefully

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the final results of the poll were with

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2 million

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35

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924 votes were

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yes

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29.6

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no

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then

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a day later on march 26th

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elon tweeted this

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given that twitter serves as the de

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facto public town square

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failing to adhere to free speech

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principles fundamentally undermines

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democracy

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what should be done

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is a new platform needed

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that was the tweet

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at tweet made headlines

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you saw the tweet

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now

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on the surface

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it sure looks like

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elon

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has a real concern about free speech

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the internet

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now the responses

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to this flurry of twitter action

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occurred over three days

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march 24th

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march 25th

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and march 26th

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we're only on

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april 6th

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this went down

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now those responses

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we're all sending him the same messages

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elon the savior

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right elon the bringer of truth

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elon

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and it got heated

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so

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what does elon do

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well

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he appeared

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this week

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to respond to his 80 million followers

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on twitter and the rest of the world

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when it was announced

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this week

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those tweets went down

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this week the sec announced

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that he is now the largest shareholder

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in twitter

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all of this

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after

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sounds too good to be true doesn't it

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right

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of course it does

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well

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as it turns out

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elon

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made his move for twitter

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back on march 14th

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a full 10 days

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before

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his twitter posts

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now let's think about this for a moment

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you need to understand exactly what i am

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saying here

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those 80 million twitter followers

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watching those posts on the 24th 25th

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and 26th

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are seeing this and responding to it

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what they don't know as they're

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responding to this in the polls

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and did the man it was insane

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what they didn't know

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was that a week before

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elon made a play 10 days before

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10 days before 73.5

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million shares were purchased and then

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he does the twitter

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that sec filing dated march 14th

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revealed march 14th that he bought 73.5

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million shares for roughly 2.9 billion

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dollars

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then he does the twitter

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for three days

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gets

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everybody talking

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gets the market freaked out everybody's

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wondering what's going to happen and

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then right after that

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today's only wednesday

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on monday it is announced

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that he's now got the largest

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stakeholder in twitter

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that he just dropped three

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he pumped up the market

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he knew

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that back on march 14th

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he had just purchased 73.5 million

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shares he didn't tell anybody

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he could have said on march 24 25 26 hey

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i just filed with the sec i bought 73.5

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million shares do you think i should

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make changes around here

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oh that that would have been cool no

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no he doesn't do that he runs two polls

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and then talks about democracy in the

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freedom of speech

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in the third

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then the sec makes this announcement

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when all of this went down and if you

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think about this

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march 14th is the purchase march 23rd

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24th 25th 26th of the the

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the twitter flurry and the responses and

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everything that went down and then the

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announcement on monday everything is

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pumped up everything is insane

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00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:02,880
elon by the end of the day

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think about that and and and and the

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money continues

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think about that

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all pumped up

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by his flurry of twitter post

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now for me

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this is a conspiracy i can sink my teeth

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into

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and i would think

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that the sec

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knowing that the filing happened on

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march 14th now i like elon

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tesla

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spacex

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i i i do

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this

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is a little bit stinky

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00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,519
and i would think that the sec would go

583
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:48,960
wait a minute okay so this happened on

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00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,760
march 14th he's out using his 80 million

585
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:53,360
twitter followers

586
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:54,240
to

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00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,120
with a company that he just purchased a

588
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,640
controlling

589
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,159
interest in

590
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,159
and then the announcement's going to go

591
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,000
down on monday

592
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,640
and by monday with everything that's

593
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,679
going on suddenly he makes a billion

594
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,080
dollars before close of business

595
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:18,320
monday night

596
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,399
that doesn't it doesn't quite feel right

597
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,840
feels strange to me

598
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,200
so yeah

599
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,360
the king of conspiracy

600
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,519
i like a good conspiracy and i think

601
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,039
that this one

602
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:35,760
i think i think elon stepped in it

603
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,919
i i i do i went back

604
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:40,960
and

605
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,880
uh compiled all of his tweets from today

606
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:46,480
about twitter

607
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,480
going back to march 14th march 14th the

608
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,440
key date march 14th he is filing

609
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,120
paperwork with the sec that he's going

610
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,360
to about to purchase 73.5 million shares

611
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,760
of a company like twitter

612
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,360
and uh

613
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:04,080
and and dropped three billion dollars he

614
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:05,919
doesn't mention it on march 14th march

615
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,679
15th 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 20th there

616
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,159
doesn't mention anything

617
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,399
leading up to the announcement on this

618
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,520
monday he goes crazy on twitter and post

619
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,119
those three tweets

620
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,760
think about that

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man this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church tonight right here on this

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program

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don ecker

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this short break

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yes last night we had to reschedule flat

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earth day flat earth dave will be with

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us tomorrow night thursday no fader

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night tomorrow tomorrow it's flat earth

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as we discuss

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this is fade to black

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die necker stay right there

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[Music]

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00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,750
all right welcome back fade to black i

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00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,280
am your host jimmy church tonight don

729
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,400
ecker is with us

730
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,079
i can't believe i'm gonna actually say

731
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,040
this but for the first time don ecker is

732
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,040
with us it's an honor and a privilege

733
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,960
he's a writer researcher commentator and

734
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:56,720
was the director of research and media

735
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,920
liaison for ufo magazine for 20 years

736
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,400
former law enforcement officer and

737
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,160
criminal investigator with over 10 years

738
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:07,440
experience he brought legitimacy to ufo

739
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,560
research

740
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,560
he has written numerous articles for ufo

741
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:12,640
magazine the united kingdom's 40 and

742
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,000
times omni the copyserve system

743
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:19,200
and the paranet computer database man

744
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,560
we're going to talk about some paranoid

745
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,520
tonight don has utilized uh as a

746
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,839
technical advisor for larry king live on

747
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,560
cnn nbc's hard copy has advised and

748
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,520
appeared on fox's a current affair fox's

749
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,680
sightings and oprah winfrey he has

750
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,760
appeared on fox's encounters and

751
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,079
entertainment tonight today he is the

752
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,160
host of course of dark matters radio

753
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:42,800
which is broadcast right here on the

754
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:47,680
next network kunx friday evenings 5 p.m

755
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,680
t 8 p.m or 5 p.m pacific time 8 p.m

756
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,280
eastern and i would like to welcome for

757
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,880
the first time to faye to black the one

758
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,119
and only it's an honor

759
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,960
donna great to be here jimmy thank you

760
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,280
for the invitation yeah thank you don

761
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,880
and uh

762
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,319
well you know

763
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,400
you get the first time guest disclaimer

764
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,599
i can't believe i'm going to do this

765
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,319
with don ecker don it's just you and i

766
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,680
sitting on my couch having a

767
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,359
conversation where that conversation

768
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,440
starts it starts where it ends it ends

769
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:17,040
but we're going to end his friends there

770
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,240
you go

771
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,520
and uh wow so i kind of want to start

772
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,800
here don

773
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,160
um

774
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:27,119
uh i've been at this for for quite a

775
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:28,319
long time

776
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,119
uh not only broadcast but research but

777
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:32,800
you were

778
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,839
a big big part of my journey and i'm

779
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,520
sure you don't get tired of hearing that

780
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,359
because you have

781
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:42,160
seriously guided so many and i'm just

782
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:43,520
one of them

783
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,319
um

784
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:46,400
but i want to ask you before i ask the

785
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,920
obvious question how did you get your

786
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,200
interest in this

787
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,599
but let's let's let's rock this thing

788
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,599
back uh

789
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:55,359
uh 30 years

790
00:42:04,230 --> 00:41:56,240
and

791
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,240
of what ufos today uap what ufos may be

792
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,400
and today

793
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,319
what was your perception back then what

794
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,000
did you think that

795
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:13,440
ufo hypothesis really was

796
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,119
well it basically broke down into only

797
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,720
two areas for me then jimmy

798
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,079
number one

799
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:24,960
and uh you know i'm out here in southern

800
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,079
california just a skip hop jump

801
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,400
from nevada uh

802
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:32,640
i could be

803
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,000
down to the old lockheed skunk works

804
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,160
in about 10 minutes where they used to

805
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,800
be in burbank right uh

806
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:43,520
i've been uh

807
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:46,960
out to area 51 where a lot of their

808
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,400
stuff ended up going

809
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,040
things like the uh you know the

810
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,119
f-117

811
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,640
uh stealth fighter stuff like that it's

812
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,640
uh it's it's

813
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,200
we're in a nexus here well

814
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,400
i figured that ufos and i had no doubt

815
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,720
that there was something there i've had

816
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:11,040
sightings i've had as a matter of fact a

817
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,200
really dramatic sighting in 1966

818
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,280
but uh

819
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:20,319
they were either from somewhere else or

820
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,880
they were ours that was my then thinking

821
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,599
and i thought they were strictly

822
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:29,839
nuts and bolts

823
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,880
okay but over the years my thinking has

824
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,720
evolved

825
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,560
immensely

826
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:37,599
and

827
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,599
when i was in college i was a historian

828
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:44,480
and that was my major was history i

829
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,839
loved history then i love history now

830
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:49,280
and uh

831
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:53,920
i i especially loved ancient history

832
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,720
well

833
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,200
as i'm sure you're aware and probably

834
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:59,040
everybody else listening to my voice

835
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,160
tonight

836
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:02,079
these things have been whatever they are

837
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,520
have been seen

838
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,640
for

839
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,839
literally

840
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,359
as long as there have been people to

841
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,280
look up in the sky

842
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:11,920
so that tells me that uh they've been

843
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:15,599
around a long time a very long time

844
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,240
and uh so then that to me meant

845
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,720
well where would they be coming from was

846
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,079
it just

847
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,040
the idea that they might be coming

848
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,920
from another star system or are there

849
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,920
other possibilities

850
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,200
well

851
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,680
i eventually came to the conclusion that

852
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:37,280
there are a number

853
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:40,720
of possibilities of what they could be

854
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,839
number one of course the interstellar

855
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,839
hypothesis

856
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:47,280
number two

857
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,720
and this gets a little stickier but once

858
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:51,839
again

859
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,640
there seems to be enough data

860
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,359
to support the hypotheses

861
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,480
that they in fact or some of them may be

862
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,950
then there's one more possibility in my

863
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:08,160
thinking

864
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,000
that i haven't heard discussed

865
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,680
a lot

866
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,400
but this is something that i've toyed

867
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:19,680
with for quite a few years now

868
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,720
roughly

869
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:21,920
12

870
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,880
000 years ago jimmy

871
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:26,720
north america

872
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,839
if you could walk through a doorway

873
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,960
and walk into north america let's say

874
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,240
for example

875
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,200
11

876
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,440
500 bce

877
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:40,240
okay before the common era

878
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,680
this continent was covered

879
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:45,040
in up to

880
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,839
two

881
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,000
miles of ice

882
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,000
okay ice

883
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:51,920
and

884
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,960
that meant that there was a tremendous

885
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,359
amount of land

886
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,119
then available

887
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,119
that we no longer have

888
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,400
because when the ice caps receded

889
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:07,040
the oceans rose

890
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,280
okay as much as two to four hundred feet

891
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:14,880
which covered up immense swaths of land

892
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:19,599
climate change out the yin yang okay

893
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,920
whatever peoples were here i am sure

894
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,560
suffered some catastrophic

895
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,119
deaths and events

896
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:31,359
uh obviously not all of them because you

897
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,040
and i are here today right right but

898
00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:37,440
there also

899
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:42,040
is indications that there was then a

900
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,760
worldwide

901
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,000
civilization

902
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,640
if you're familiar with things like the

903
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,520
fury reece map

904
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,640
okay

905
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:55,520
the peery reese map which shows what

906
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:59,200
antarctica looked like without the ice

907
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,400
all right

908
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,440
obviously from an aerial view well how

909
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,760
in the world would that have happened

910
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,800
well

911
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:09,520
it would have happened if somebody

912
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:13,359
here had the technology to fly

913
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:14,560
so

914
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,040
these things could be

915
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:21,040
is an ancient

916
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:22,839
lost

917
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,160
civilization that abandoned the planet

918
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,559
when these catastrophic earth changes

919
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:29,839
happened

920
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,440
and then very possibly ended up coming

921
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,760
back but for whatever reason their own

922
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,880
reasons

923
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,680
they've decided not to make themselves

924
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,839
available today

925
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,640
so there are my three hypotheses number

926
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,800
one an ancient

927
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,599
earth civilization that left and came

928
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:51,359
back number two

929
00:47:55,549 --> 00:47:54,400
possibly inter-dimensional entities and

930
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,559
number three

931
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,920
extraterrestrial beings from another

932
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,480
star system it could be uh

933
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:03,119
it could be all three too

934
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,240
sure

935
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,280
it could be all three and uh and and i

936
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,079
agree with all of that and here's the

937
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,640
here's the other part uh where i kind of

938
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:14,319
want to pick your brain

939
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,760
um because of your background um in law

940
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,760
enforcement and

941
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:21,920
you're i'm just gonna use the word

942
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:24,319
methodology right how your how your mind

943
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,359
works

944
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,240
um you were around when we don't need to

945
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,760
mention names i'm not gonna go there but

946
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:32,000
you were around when there were a lot of

947
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:32,839
uh

948
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,720
just some pretty bold statements

949
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:43,680
and

950
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,280
the ufo community not having answers

951
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,359
and with the rest of the world you have

952
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,079
to like consider everything

953
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,520
you

954
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:56,480
jimmy

955
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,440
uh

956
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,520
i don't believe in cop-outs

957
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,119
okay right if you're gonna if you're

958
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,119
gonna make mention of something like

959
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,960
this now one of the people that

960
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,960
immediately comes to my mind and i was

961
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,880
the very first person

962
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,280
to do an expose on him a person that

963
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,200
still today

964
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,920
creates tremendous controversy was a guy

965
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:18,559
by the name of milton william cooper who

966
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:22,559
did more harm to this field than any

967
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,760
other 25 people around and believe me

968
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,800
we've had some doozies and

969
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,119
and and so to to my point

970
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:33,200
and we can talk about bill

971
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,280
um is this um you

972
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,800
uh

973
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,200
stood in between the monkey muck in the

974
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,160
ufo community trying to keep things

975
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,240
centered and focused

976
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,160
and was that because of your law

977
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,480
enforcement background and you could

978
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,200
you could uh look i was i was in the

979
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,599
army i was in the armed forces i did two

980
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,640
tours

981
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,119
in southeast asia okay i was wounded

982
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,599
twice in combat right and the bottom

983
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,640
line is this

984
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,880
when you're in an endeavor like this the

985
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:09,680
only way it works is

986
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,839
through

987
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,200
teamwork and the one thing that this

988
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,480
field has never had

989
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:18,319
is teamwork

990
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,319
everybody in in the field over the last

991
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:24,000
30 years

992
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,079
uh the jealousy the backbiting the

993
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,440
backstabbing i mean i've seen it all

994
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:33,680
and uh

995
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:36,559
back in 2006

996
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,640
when my wife who was the originator

997
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:42,960
the original publisher

998
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,400
and the creator of ufo magazine

999
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,960
when she and i left the field

1000
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:50,960
in large part

1001
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,520
it was because of that very thing

1002
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:55,760
and i wrote a paper

1003
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,599
called my 20 years in the ufo fog

1004
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:01,680
which is out there online have you have

1005
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,040
you read it i have of course

1006
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:07,200
okay well then you know what i'm talking

1007
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,720
about now

1008
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:10,559
i said that's it you know it's been

1009
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:14,960
great thanks gang i'm gone but obviously

1010
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,359
i didn't leave entirely i stayed with

1011
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:19,119
the radio thing

1012
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,720
uh

1013
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,800
and yes

1014
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,280
i guess you can say i i've done some

1015
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:27,040
more work over the as a matter of fact

1016
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,319
right now

1017
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:31,440
uh i'm working on a paper

1018
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,680
uh with the recent death of john lear

1019
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:37,599
i knew lear

1020
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,800
back from 1987.

1021
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:42,079
okay

1022
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,960
i've been to lear's house

1023
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:47,760
on a personal level i like john

1024
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,240
on a professional level i thought john

1025
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,079
was out to lunch

1026
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,520
okay

1027
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,720
but uh

1028
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,960
he was a gracious

1029
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,160
man

1030
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:01,040
he could also be an sob

1031
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:02,319
okay

1032
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,520
uh i believe me i have some stories and

1033
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,440
i have stories

1034
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,400
about a lot of people in this field but

1035
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,640
uh but john lear

1036
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:14,640
was actually

1037
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:18,559
one of the reasons i originally got into

1038
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,920
this field now back in 1981

1039
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,920
while i was a criminal investigator i

1040
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,800
ended up investigating two

1041
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,440
cattle mutilations this was in the state

1042
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,520
of idaho

1043
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,880
uh

1044
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:33,839
that

1045
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:36,079
was a journey

1046
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,480
that began me down some very bizarre

1047
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:42,720
paths let me tell you

1048
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,309
one of the bizarre paths i ended up

1049
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:51,040
going down now i like i said i i knew

1050
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,440
everybody at the time worth knowing uh

1051
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:57,760
i knew uh

1052
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,960
uh people like bruce mcabee linda molten

1053
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:01,920
howe

1054
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:05,520
uh stanton friedman okay

1055
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:08,800
john lear obviously uh william moore

1056
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,200
jamie chandra these are all names from

1057
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,760
the past that many people today may not

1058
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,599
even know who they are

1059
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,440
but at the time

1060
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,839
they were some of the leading lights in

1061
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,040
the field

1062
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,839
and one of the people that i had

1063
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,680
occasion to meet

1064
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,559
and i became friends with and the guy is

1065
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,520
actually a very legendary character

1066
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,680
was john keel

1067
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,319
now john keel of the mothman prophecy

1068
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,160
fame okay

1069
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,240
uh

1070
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,079
i forget

1071
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,040
how we bumped into each other but i was

1072
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:47,040
telling him about this

1073
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:48,480
this case

1074
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,920
that i had been the lead investigator on

1075
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,599
these cattle

1076
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,000
and it was let me tell you what man it

1077
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,839
was a spooky spooky case

1078
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,359
and uh

1079
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:03,680
then keel

1080
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,319
said something to me

1081
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,640
that kind of sent the hair up the back

1082
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,680
of my neck and i at first i thought he

1083
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,520
was putting me on

1084
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,359
but he said did you come across any

1085
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:17,920
human mutilations no

1086
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,030
then he told me about

1087
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,200
i think it was two cases that he was

1088
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:28,880
familiar with

1089
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:33,920
and that peaked my curiosity

1090
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:37,359
which led me on a three-year odyssey

1091
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:40,720
into trying to track that down

1092
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,480
and for three years i bashed my head

1093
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:46,400
on a brick wall

1094
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,280
and

1095
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,680
i incidentally this this is no this is

1096
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,599
no bs this is a

1097
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,359
this is a a

1098
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,520
absolutely true story

1099
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:56,960
uh

1100
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,240
in 1986 is when as a police officer i

1101
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,839
was injured and i ended up medically

1102
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,440
retiring

1103
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,559
so

1104
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,799
in 1988

1105
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,359
i was going back taking some

1106
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,400
uh some college courses

1107
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:15,359
and uh one of the guys and the guy i

1108
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:16,240
knew

1109
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,799
one of the guys in one of my classes was

1110
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,640
a detective

1111
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:23,200
with the boise pd

1112
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,559
and one of my closest buddies i had been

1113
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,839
a uh

1114
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:29,040
a

1115
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:38,640
so

1116
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,839
trying to

1117
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,400
to make some sense out of this human

1118
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,960
mutilation story

1119
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:49,200
uh a guy

1120
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,880
that i knew who was then the mufon state

1121
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,240
director

1122
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,040
for the state of idaho

1123
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:58,799
came to me

1124
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,839
and he said hey non he said i've got

1125
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,160
something here that popped up on my

1126
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,680
radar

1127
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,400
he said it's it's weird

1128
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,319
it's spooky

1129
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,359
and he said uh i don't know man it might

1130
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,640
be dangerous but i i can't say and i

1131
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,640
said his name was don mason and i said

1132
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,760
don

1133
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,680
get to the point

1134
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,599
right right what's going on

1135
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:26,640
he said well he said a couple of hikers

1136
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:27,440
or

1137
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:30,559
no hunters they were hunters okay and of

1138
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:31,760
course you know

1139
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:35,359
idaho is a very hunter-heavy state

1140
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,400
and he said they stumbled over

1141
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,079
a nude

1142
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,079
body human body

1143
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:44,880
in the woods just wearing

1144
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:47,760
a pair of underwear

1145
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,960
and the guy was and it was a male the

1146
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,280
guy was mutilated

1147
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,760
supposedly just like

1148
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,520
a cow

1149
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,119
and i said don't wait a minute you're

1150
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,839
telling me what you're telling me that

1151
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,160
an eyeball was taken out

1152
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,520
that uh his rectum and sexual organs

1153
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:09,200
were removed he said well that's what i

1154
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,799
was told

1155
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,480
so i

1156
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,119
said okay

1157
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,160
so i tried to track that down more in

1158
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,079
depth and everything was extremely

1159
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:21,760
hush-hush

1160
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,680
so anyway i i my buddy from from boise

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00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,079
from the boise pd

1162
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,319
and my other buddy from one of the

1163
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,640
sheriff's departments there i went to

1164
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,720
both of them individually

1165
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,119
and i said look

1166
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,280
i said i'm working on something and yeah

1167
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:41,520
yeah you know i don't have a badge

1168
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:42,640
anymore

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00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,599
but

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00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:45,920
i said look

1171
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,240
i want you to do me a favor if you will

1172
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,240
i want you to check out

1173
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,480
the national information crime crime

1174
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,119
information computer back in dc

1175
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,799
which is handled by the department of

1176
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,799
justice the fbi

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00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,440
and this is a search criteria that i

1178
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,599
would like you to put in

1179
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:05,359
including the states of oregon

1180
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,880
washington idaho montana and nevada

1181
00:58:12,270 --> 00:58:09,839
okay

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00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:12,280
any unexplained

1183
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:16,079
homicides or suspected homicides

1184
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:16,960
where

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00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,359
the bodies are mutilated and i gave them

1186
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,880
some of the criteria for that and uh my

1187
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,760
buddy at boise pd said

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00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,599
yeah he said i can do that he said well

1189
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,680
what is it you're looking for well i

1190
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,359
told him a little bit he said okay

1191
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,440
that's enough i don't want i don't know

1192
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,440
anymore about it but he said i'll i'll

1193
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,720
do this

1194
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,799
and he did and my buddy at the sheriff's

1195
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:40,640
department same thing

1196
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:44,079
and i asked the guy at boise i said look

1197
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:45,440
how long do you think it will take to

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00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,119
get back he said yeah probably a week

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00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,400
he said i wouldn't think it would be

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much over a week okay

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00:59:04,470 --> 00:58:59,670
and he

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00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,480
fired

1203
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:06,720
and i said what are you talking about he

1204
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,720
said my lieutenant called me in

1205
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,720
just steaming

1206
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,200
mad he said he chewed me up one side

1207
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,359
down the other and i said why

1208
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,520
well he got a call from somebody back in

1209
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,760
dc about this

1210
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,319
he said really

1211
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,240
he said yeah

1212
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,559
he said so whatever you're involved with

1213
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,640
i want nothing else to do with it now my

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00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,720
buddy at the sheriff's department

1215
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:35,119
didn't quite get that

1216
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,079
okay

1217
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,160
but he got shut down

1218
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:39,920
they said there was nothing there that

1219
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,680
was popping up which i knew was pure bs

1220
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,079
because if you know anything about the

1221
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,520
uh

1222
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,359
the crimes that were happening in that

1223
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,920
part of the world then and i'm talking

1224
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,839
late late 80s

1225
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,079
okay have you ever heard of a case

1226
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:58,720
called the green river killer of course

1227
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,079
yes yes okay well that was a guy

1228
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:04,240
that was out hunting

1229
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,520
in washington state prostitutes

1230
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:10,319
and he would lure them to his vehicle

1231
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,119
under the pretext of having sex and then

1232
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,680
he would take them out murder them and

1233
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:17,839
then try to conceal the body and

1234
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,960
mutilate them he mutilated them too

1235
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,440
so i knew if nothing else some of those

1236
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,520
cases should have popped up and they

1237
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:27,040
never did

1238
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:28,640
so uh

1239
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:31,920
i i uh so i talked to uh

1240
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,880
i talked to john keel again

1241
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,559
about this

1242
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:38,720
and then

1243
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,440
i was notified by somebody back in and i

1244
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:43,280
ended up doing

1245
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,760
a a big story in ufo magazine about this

1246
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:50,640
it came across my desk that one of the

1247
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:53,920
things back in well actually all over

1248
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:56,960
the country but new york at the time was

1249
01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:00,240
primary the number of missing

1250
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:01,760
kids

1251
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:04,799
that was astronomical

1252
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,640
now this is circa about 1993.

1253
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,040
the kids were just disappearing now hey

1254
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,440
granted a lot of kids were running away

1255
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,520
from uh from home

1256
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,200
kids were

1257
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,160
you know uh getting tossed out of school

1258
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:22,000
saying the heck with it taking off

1259
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:23,040
whatever

1260
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,400
kids getting involved

1261
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,240
with drugs

1262
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,319
but

1263
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:30,880
a lot of these kids sooner or later

1264
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:33,599
would pop back up

1265
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,720
but thousands and thousands weren't and

1266
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,280
i ended up doing this story

1267
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,000
and i included those statistics and

1268
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,559
today i can't remember anymore what they

1269
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,000
were

1270
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,870
i recall a case that had happened

1271
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,119
in the uh

1272
01:02:02,390 --> 01:01:59,359
what the what the heck was that area

1273
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:02,400
around long island new york

1274
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:04,079
where

1275
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:06,640
uh

1276
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:10,720
a couple of people ended up dead

1277
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:13,440
and in the morgue

1278
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,160
with

1279
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,640
and this i remember this vividly this

1280
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:18,319
came as a matter of fact

1281
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:21,440
from a court officer that i talked to

1282
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,160
uh with strange markings on them

1283
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:29,039
and then the freaking body disappeared

1284
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:30,559
from the morgue

1285
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,799
now that is something they don't talk

1286
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,559
about okay

1287
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:36,960
they don't talk about that kind of thing

1288
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:39,280
uh bodies disappearing from the morgue

1289
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,520
are you kidding me it's a first for me

1290
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,150
that's it so anyway it was it was a very

1291
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,440
bizarre journey and finally i just said

1292
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:51,039
you know what i don't think i'm getting

1293
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,400
anywhere with this and i ended up

1294
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,799
dropping it and uh

1295
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,079
the

1296
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,240
uh i want to go back to john keel i've

1297
01:03:01,270 --> 01:03:00,400
just got a minute uh don before the

1298
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:01,280
break

1299
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,280
um and did did john

1300
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:07,440
did john have a theory

1301
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,160
of the human mutilations and possibly

1302
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:11,839
with the paranormal or for him it could

1303
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,799
be anything the occult yep he did and

1304
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:16,559
what what was it

1305
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:19,280
ultra terrestrial

1306
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,880
which is another way of saying

1307
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:23,039
interdimensional now

1308
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,160
uh

1309
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,160
if you know anything about john keel and

1310
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,839
i'm sure you do and if you know anything

1311
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,200
about his book

1312
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,680
the mothman prophecies

1313
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:33,599
i read that for the first time and i've

1314
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,960
since read it maybe two dozen times

1315
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,880
uh keel

1316
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:40,640
was very

1317
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,559
uh involved with what he termed the mib

1318
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:46,160
phenomena

1319
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:49,680
and he believed and he told me this

1320
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:51,440
that he thought

1321
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:54,880
that these were constructs

1322
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:57,280
being manufactured

1323
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,000
by someone or something

1324
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,799
utilizing the blood

1325
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:04,400
and the flesh

1326
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,280
from mutilated animals and people

1327
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,440
now take that for what it's worth i'm

1328
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,680
not saying i subscribe to it but that's

1329
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,599
what he told me let's take our break

1330
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,599
right here this is fade to black our

1331
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:17,760
guest tonight don eckert we've got a lot

1332
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:19,039
to cover

1333
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:21,039
and we're going to try to get it all in

1334
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,559
it's an honor and a privilege to have

1335
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,799
don with us you stay right there

1336
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,240
this is fade to black i'm your host

1337
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,480
jimmy church on the game changer and nx

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01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:29,920
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01:04:34,290 --> 01:04:31,520
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1340
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:34,300
back after this short break stay with us

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01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:58,069
you

1342
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:00,230
this is fade to black with jimmy church

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01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,780
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don't hurt me jimmy i'm only little hey

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01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:38,799
i'm adrian grenier and this is ari gold

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01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,309
hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

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01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:48,000
we're the honey brothers

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01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:50,839
and you're listening to jimmy church a

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01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,040
revolution this is jimmy churchill fade

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01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,120
to black and you can become an official

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01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,040
fate or not by just going to our

1433
01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:58,719
membership section

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01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,070
hello this is serena wright taylor from

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01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,400
conscious life expo and you're listening

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01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,719
to fade to black with jimmy church who

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01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:11,120
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,719
astrological chart since 1963. true

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01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:16,560
story

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01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:18,239
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

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01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:19,920
report and you're listening to jimmy

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01:09:25,809 --> 01:09:21,850
church on fade to black

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01:09:26,130 --> 01:09:25,819
[Music]

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01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:26,140
[Applause]

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01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,920
[Music]

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01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:43,679
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:45,679
host jimmy church tonight don ecker is

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01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,839
with

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01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:48,880
us it's gonna be one of those

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01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,120
conversations tonight everybody just uh

1451
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:53,440
kick back and absorb

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01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,239
i'm gonna learn something

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01:10:02,790 --> 01:09:58,960
and i'm gonna jump straight back into it

1454
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:02,800
don i wanted to ask you this um

1455
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,560
uh today where it seems that the subject

1456
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:08,480
is still laughed at of course but

1457
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,760
it's easier to talk about today and it's

1458
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,280
it's out there in the media and

1459
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:15,040
washington and department of defense

1460
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,560
what have you but

1461
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,000
when you were

1462
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,800
ufo magazine was a mainstream

1463
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:22,880
publication i could pick it up anywhere

1464
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,239
i got it i found it it was slickly

1465
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:29,440
produced and it was it was mainstream

1466
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:32,640
but back then did you feel like you were

1467
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:35,840
fighting the man were you pushing

1468
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:38,239
and uh for acceptance to get this out

1469
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,630
oh yeah

1470
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:44,800
uh

1471
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:48,080
i believed back in

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01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,199
the very early 90s 1991 92

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01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:56,080
and i i truly did i truly believe that

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01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:57,679
with just

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01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:00,159
the right case

1476
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,080
with the right

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01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,040
investigation you see and and this has

1478
01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:07,120
always been

1479
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,840
with many people who called themselves

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01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:12,719
investigators

1481
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,880
would hear some slick story

1482
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:18,239
and

1483
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:22,640
it excited them it intrigued them

1484
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,120
they would jump on board one of the

1485
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:27,440
things that very

1486
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:30,560
few people did

1487
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:33,520
was to research these stories out as a

1488
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,640
matter of fact

1489
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,040
my paper that i wrote that you just told

1490
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,440
me you read 20 years in the ufo fog i

1491
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,440
pointed that out

1492
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:43,040
that

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01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,239
there are people out there and

1494
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:48,400
when i was doing when i was doing

1495
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,199
director of research for ufo magazine

1496
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:53,520
i had a series

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01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:55,840
of exposes

1498
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,640
that i did in the magazine

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01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,440
exhaustively researched

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01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,600
i couldn't tell you how many people i

1501
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,000
interviewed about these stories

1502
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,120
and some of these guys uh that were

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01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:11,199
making a quote-unquote splash in the

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01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,239
field

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01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:15,199
that were as full of

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01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,719
you know what

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01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:19,040
as a christmas turkey

1508
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:20,880
and uh

1509
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:23,520
we would expose them and a couple of

1510
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:26,239
years later they'd be back in the fold

1511
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,760
now one of the guys that i did this

1512
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:32,000
expose series on

1513
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:33,600
was a guy that

1514
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:36,880
and i'll i'll be very honest initially

1515
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,520
he bamboozled me

1516
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,120
good

1517
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,400
a guy by the name of guy kirkwood

1518
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,280
that was one of his names guy kirkwood

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01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,760
noel bryce

1520
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:51,040
uh

1521
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:53,840
and hell he had a couple other names too

1522
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,040
that he went by but he had been

1523
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,199
back in the 50s

1524
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:02,000
a fuller brush salesman

1525
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,840
and

1526
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,880
a uh

1527
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:06,880
dance instructor

1528
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,000
okay in a dance studio

1529
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:12,800
and his story was

1530
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:15,280
that he had been

1531
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:19,360
an f-86 sabre jet pilot in the air force

1532
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,719
that had been based out of utah

1533
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:24,960
okay and their unit

1534
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:28,480
was tasked when ufos would would be

1535
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:31,760
reported show up they would go up try to

1536
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:34,719
catch them on radar photograph them etc

1537
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,719
etc this was a stick all right

1538
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:44,709
he i met him down in san diego at some

1539
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,600
event somebody introduced me to him

1540
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,199
and they said man this is somebody you

1541
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:51,760
gotta talk to don you gotta do a story

1542
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,560
on this guy in ufo magazine

1543
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:57,120
so i sat down with him we talked and he

1544
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,440
was charming he was great friendly guy i

1545
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:02,880
mean you know

1546
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:06,000
of course all con men are right

1547
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,520
and uh

1548
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:10,080
i said guy he because he was going by

1549
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:11,920
guy kirkwood i said guy i'll tell you

1550
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,960
what

1551
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:15,199
i would love

1552
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,679
to do an article on this but

1553
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,880
i just request one thing

1554
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:22,800
okay what's that don

1555
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:25,920
a copy of your dd214 your military

1556
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:28,400
discharge papers bingo

1557
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:31,840
and i said you show me that and by god

1558
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,320
we're off to the races

1559
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:37,280
well i waited a year

1560
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:38,560
a year

1561
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:40,000
for this guy

1562
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:41,760
to get back in touch with me and he

1563
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,120
lived here in the area okay

1564
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:47,840
and uh finally i bumped into him i think

1565
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,239
it was at a mufon event

1566
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,719
and i asked him i said guy

1567
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:54,400
where have you been i've been waiting to

1568
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,679
hear from you where your dd214 at

1569
01:15:02,630 --> 01:14:59,520
and uh

1570
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:02,640
he gave me some [\h__\h] and bull story

1571
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:05,679
well then he showed up

1572
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:10,320
on a tv program with linda moulton how

1573
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,679
and linda was touting his quote-unquote

1574
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,080
extraordinary military background guy

1575
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:17,679
had never been in the service by the way

1576
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:18,400
no

1577
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:19,920
fuller brush

1578
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:21,199
well there's a connect there's a

1579
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:23,840
connection there with uh f-86s i just

1580
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,800
don't know what it is yeah really

1581
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:28,560
so anyway

1582
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,400
uh then i had a call

1583
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:34,480
at the magazine

1584
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:35,840
from

1585
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,880
don

1586
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,480
dornan

1587
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,320
do you know who died

1588
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,719
i do man this is great

1589
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:44,400
this is great stuff

1590
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:49,360
dornan was the brother of

1591
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,400
b1

1592
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:53,280
bomber bob dornan the congressman

1593
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:54,239
okay

1594
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,159
and don dornan had been a a photographer

1595
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,560
and a journalist with look magazine

1596
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,600
that's right

1597
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:04,000
back in the 60s

1598
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,600
and uh

1599
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:07,360
he knew

1600
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:12,640
and he said uh i'd like to meet you for

1601
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,040
lunch i said okay

1602
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:17,600
so my wife vicki and i met him for lunch

1603
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,880
and we must have spent four hours and he

1604
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,640
brought me as a matter of fact i still

1605
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,199
have it it's still under

1606
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:28,320
my office desk in my home office

1607
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:32,480
he brought me a package of photographs

1608
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,360
one

1609
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,199
i mean the story

1610
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:38,400
that he he told me where he followed

1611
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:41,679
guy kirkwood down to mexico

1612
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,440
uh over the border to meet with this

1613
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:47,679
uh this guy down there who was

1614
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:49,840
originally from italy

1615
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,679
had come over here

1616
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:54,159
either during or right after world war

1617
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,199
ii

1618
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:58,000
the guy supposedly

1619
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,840
had been working

1620
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:01,679
on a death ray

1621
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:04,159
for benito mussolini

1622
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,880
i mean it was it was one hell of a story

1623
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:10,239
so

1624
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:15,280
ended up

1625
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,719
doing this major expose

1626
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:20,480
on guy

1627
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:24,000
and i said you know this guy

1628
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,080
number one stolen valor

1629
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:29,120
irritates me quite a bit okay

1630
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:31,040
it really does

1631
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:33,440
guys claiming that they were in the

1632
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:36,400
armed forces and they did this did that

1633
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:38,800
you know it was a huge phenomenon

1634
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,440
in the aftermath of vietnam

1635
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:44,960
which really is curious considering

1636
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:47,440
how the gi's that went to vietnam and

1637
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:50,000
came home were treated all right by the

1638
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:51,760
public at large

1639
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,600
but anyway i don't want to get

1640
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,360
sidetracked there

1641
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:57,199
so uh

1642
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,400
i had this thing all ready to go i had

1643
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:02,719
the proofs

1644
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,600
and i called up guy kirkwood

1645
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,360
and i said guy

1646
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:09,840
i'd like you to please stop by the

1647
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,880
office

1648
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,719
i have something here that i'm going to

1649
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:14,640
run in the magazine but

1650
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,960
i want you to see it first

1651
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,960
i'm not going to run it

1652
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:20,719
if

1653
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:23,920
you bring me a copy of your dd214 well

1654
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:26,480
he didn't but he did come

1655
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,560
and i handed it to him

1656
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,000
and i said would you like a cup of

1657
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,239
coffee and i don't think he wanted one

1658
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,400
so i poured myself a cup and i sat down

1659
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:36,320
waited till he read it

1660
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,600
and he just folded this stuff up

1661
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:41,920
and he handed it to me and he said

1662
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:43,040
thanks

1663
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,000
bye

1664
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,040
and he get up and he left

1665
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,360
well we ran it

1666
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:52,320
and then there were a couple of quote

1667
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,000
unquote names in the ufo field

1668
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:58,480
that immediately

1669
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:01,600
started picking at me for doing this

1670
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:03,440
expose on this

1671
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:06,080
wonderful former you know jet pilot blah

1672
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:07,520
blah blah

1673
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:12,149
the thing ran

1674
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:15,679
people once again were aware of

1675
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,640
the malarkey involved with this fellow

1676
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,719
because he had already been exposed in

1677
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:22,480
the 60s

1678
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:25,600
with don dornan and look magazine

1679
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,320
but time passes people forget

1680
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,560
let's face it jimmy most people don't

1681
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:32,480
have the attention span of a gnats

1682
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,360
behind especially today especially today

1683
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:38,000
it's just getting worse not better

1684
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:40,159
so anyway

1685
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:47,510
and i get a call from somebody here with

1686
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,640
the local mufon group and they said

1687
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,960
you're not going to believe

1688
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,120
who mufon

1689
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:58,000
is going to have come in as a speaker

1690
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:02,000
and i said okay who guy kirkwood

1691
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,960
well at that time don waldrop

1692
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:06,239
was uh

1693
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:09,040
the guy running the local mufon mufon

1694
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,080
l.a

1695
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:12,320
yeah yes

1696
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:15,280
so i called don up

1697
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:17,840
and i asked him i said hey don i got a

1698
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:19,600
question for you

1699
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,400
isn't mufon always claiming they're

1700
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,719
going with the scientific method

1701
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:26,080
yeah

1702
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,440
and i said

1703
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,280
well

1704
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:31,679
how can you guys in good faith have this

1705
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:36,159
this fella come by he's a proven hoaxter

1706
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:37,840
well don

1707
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:38,960
uh

1708
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,360
you know

1709
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,600
we only stay in business because people

1710
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,199
pay tickets to come in and see our

1711
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,800
speakers and we gotta have somebody

1712
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:48,880
they'll come and see

1713
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:54,470
well that that answers my question very

1714
01:20:57,910 --> 01:20:55,920
good thanks

1715
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,920
so uh you know that's that's what you're

1716
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:59,280
dealing with

1717
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:01,199
the uh

1718
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:04,639
the other part about this is

1719
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,719
when we fast forward to today to 2022

1720
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,120
and certainly the movement that has

1721
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:13,679
happened since december of 2017 right

1722
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:15,679
with the new york times and the article

1723
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,719
and and everything that has transpired

1724
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,080
since then

1725
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:21,760
uh

1726
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,400
themselves but aside from that we have

1727
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,120
a brand new generation

1728
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:33,760
of folks out there that are interested

1729
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,280
in this subject for the first time

1730
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:37,280
because of what the coverage in the

1731
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:39,520
media and they may have had an interest

1732
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:42,800
in it but now they are here

1733
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,920
but they haven't gone through uh

1734
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:47,760
what i've gone through and you have gone

1735
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,159
through over the last 30 or 40 years

1736
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,360
what advice do you give to them as they

1737
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:55,280
start to dip their toe

1738
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,750
honestly don't

1739
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,750
okay don't

1740
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:06,800
uh

1741
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,280
but if if you can't stay away

1742
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:13,360
there are

1743
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:16,239
a few books out there

1744
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:20,480
that i strongly recommend

1745
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:24,480
one of them is by barry greenwood

1746
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:26,000
and uh

1747
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,920
uh oh golly ray uh

1748
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,360
uh oh i

1749
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:34,080
might the name is is escaping me

1750
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:36,400
it was called the uh

1751
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:37,600
ufo

1752
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:42,709
come on jimmy i'm looking it up right

1753
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:44,320
now i have it in the other room but i

1754
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,520
can't get up i haven't go

1755
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:49,120
i can't go

1756
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:52,960
and uh and get it

1757
01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:02,229
it just so happens

1758
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,840
i've got several other books here

1759
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,679
too you're talking about uh larry

1760
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:09,360
fawcett

1761
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:16,000
i got a couple of other books here too

1762
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,470
if you can

1763
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,400
find them

1764
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:25,040
i strongly recommend

1765
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,750
get them and read them a lot of these

1766
01:23:32,830 --> 01:23:32,000
you may be able to pick up

1767
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:32,840
on

1768
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:39,760
and this book figured prominently in my

1769
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,320
many years of research on lunar

1770
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,000
phenomena

1771
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,790
see if you can see it here

1772
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:54,550
you got it uh can you see it uh

1773
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:55,760
no

1774
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:57,199
there there

1775
01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:59,040
it was there somebody else is on the

1776
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,239
moon by george leonard

1777
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,520
now this was a book

1778
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:07,760
that came out in

1779
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:14,709
george leonard was a science writer

1780
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:17,760
he was a personal friend with a number

1781
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,280
of uh

1782
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:21,600
scientists and technicians

1783
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:24,960
at nasa during the apollo program

1784
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:28,159
and on the side in the early days right

1785
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:31,360
after they shut down the apollo program

1786
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:38,629
he was shown a series of photographs

1787
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:41,120
that had been taken by the apollo

1788
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:45,120
astronauts on 11 and 12 and

1789
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,960
you know the ones that that made it

1790
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:48,560
there

1791
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,400
obviously not 13 we almost lost that one

1792
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:54,239
but

1793
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:56,840
it shows

1794
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,800
genuinely some mysterious and even scary

1795
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,280
things on the on the surface of the moon

1796
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:05,280
not all of it on the on the side that

1797
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:06,719
faces us

1798
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:10,239
but a lot of it on the the rear side

1799
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:13,760
that we never see from earth

1800
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,110
as a matter of fact i had a contact

1801
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:22,880
that uh

1802
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,159
out here i

1803
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,040
was a ham radio operator and a

1804
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:29,040
buddy of mine who was a ham radio

1805
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,159
operator

1806
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,320
that had just retired

1807
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:35,280
from one of the major banks here in los

1808
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:36,719
angeles

1809
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,440
uh had it had himself a couple of ham

1810
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:43,920
radio buddies that were nasa technicians

1811
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:45,280
over at

1812
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,040
jpl

1813
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:49,760
now a lot of people don't know this

1814
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:54,719
but jpl also has a photo archive or did

1815
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,639
they probably still do of lunar

1816
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,320
photographs

1817
01:26:02,310 --> 01:25:59,600
and uh

1818
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:02,320
my buddy bill

1819
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,960
talked to one of his pals

1820
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:06,400
and he said

1821
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:09,520
hey you know uh would it be possible for

1822
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,480
you to

1823
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,040
bring over a whole sheath

1824
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:15,360
of those photographs and just let me go

1825
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:16,719
through them

1826
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:19,679
and uh i i'd love to see them and the

1827
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,800
guy

1828
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:22,480
ended up doing that

1829
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:24,880
he brought over a stack of photographs

1830
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:28,719
about six or eight inches high

1831
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,360
and he called me up and we wanna i went

1832
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:34,000
up to his house he wasn't that far from

1833
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:35,600
me

1834
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,239
and we started going through those and

1835
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:41,120
scanning them

1836
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:44,639
and i discovered a photograph in there

1837
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:49,040
that i that i sat on for years

1838
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:53,360
where it clearly showed a pipe

1839
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,120
going through a lunar crater

1840
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,760
and you could literally follow the pipe

1841
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:01,840
on the surface

1842
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:05,679
and it overhung a like a cliff or a i i

1843
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:07,920
don't know what it was but it was

1844
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:09,679
it was a cliff you wouldn't want to fall

1845
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:10,560
over

1846
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:13,199
and there was an extension on the end of

1847
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:14,719
this pipe

1848
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:17,520
now i sat on that i never released that

1849
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,239
until 2014

1850
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,719
and in 2014

1851
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:24,320
i had been hired

1852
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:25,520
as a

1853
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,400
research producer

1854
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:30,560
on a show

1855
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:34,400
that aired on the anniversary of the the

1856
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,600
apollo 11 touchdown 2014

1857
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:40,400
it aired july 20th from the sci-fi

1858
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:41,600
channel

1859
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:43,840
and the title of the program is kind of

1860
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,960
schlocky but they did have some good

1861
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:48,560
information in there including my

1862
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,840
photograph along with some crap

1863
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,600
but it was called the truth revealed

1864
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,440
aliens on the moon do you remember that

1865
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:58,000
i do i do of course

1866
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,360
well that's where i showed this

1867
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:01,520
photograph for the first time

1868
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,120
and uh

1869
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,600
so there there's no doubt in my mind

1870
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:07,199
that uh

1871
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,159
uh

1872
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,560
you know there there's something very

1873
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,719
unusual up there now

1874
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,280
over the years and he actually i had

1875
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,080
been invited to uh give a talk in

1876
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:20,880
bordentown new jersey a number of years

1877
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,000
ago

1878
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,719
uh by uh a guy by the name of pat

1879
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:26,639
markatilio

1880
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:29,679
uh he knew about my lunar research

1881
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,080
and of all people

1882
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:34,560
i didn't know him at the time

1883
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:36,800
took a train down to see what i had to

1884
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:38,080
say

1885
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:47,030
the guy that designed the protocols

1886
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:51,510
for the stargate program engel swan

1887
01:28:58,189 --> 01:28:55,120
now ingo and i became friends

1888
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,199
and when his book

1889
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,000
penetration

1890
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:02,159
came out

1891
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,159
i was one of the first to get a copy of

1892
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,560
it and i sat down and i read it

1893
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,320
and have you ever read that book i

1894
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,560
haven't read that particular book by

1895
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:12,320
ingo no

1896
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:13,520
well

1897
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,480
in there is one of the

1898
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,239
weirdest

1899
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,480
stories that i've ever come across in

1900
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:22,080
all the years

1901
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,840
that that i've been involved in this

1902
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,440
field believe me i came across some

1903
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:27,280
weird stories but

1904
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,800
this story involved apparently

1905
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:32,880
an extremely

1906
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:36,400
covert intelligence agency

1907
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:38,880
that hired swan

1908
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,199
in communicado

1909
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:43,920
for well not quite a week

1910
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:47,120
paying him a thousand dollars a day

1911
01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:51,440
to come to an undisclosed site

1912
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:53,679
and to conduct

1913
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,239
a remote viewing session on an

1914
01:30:02,390 --> 01:29:58,400
undescribed target

1915
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:06,470
and ingo swann

1916
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:08,080
saw something

1917
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:11,520
that scared him so bad it knocked him

1918
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:14,960
out of the remote viewing session

1919
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:15,760
he

1920
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:19,600
described it to me

1921
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:22,639
because he came out here to burbank

1922
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:25,840
uh i guess it was about 10 10 years or

1923
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:27,120
so ago

1924
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,920
and we got together for dinner one night

1925
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:31,920
at a little italian restaurant over in

1926
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:34,480
burbank a really great little restaurant

1927
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:37,040
we had about a four and a half five hour

1928
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:38,719
dinner party i have to ask what

1929
01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:40,480
restaurant i know every italian

1930
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:42,080
restaurant in burbank

1931
01:30:47,110 --> 01:30:43,840
oh you do okay

1932
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:47,120
uh what the hell uh monte carlos

1933
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:51,120
no no no the the market uh

1934
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,040
oh my wife could tell you on lankersham

1935
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:57,440
no it was on san fernando oh it's on san

1936
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,480
fernando really okay yeah

1937
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,800
okay continue i think they might have

1938
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,040
shut down because of the pandemic i'm

1939
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:07,440
not sure i haven't been over

1940
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,639
but uh at any rate uh if if you're

1941
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:12,400
interested i'll ask my wife she'll give

1942
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:13,760
me a kick to the back of the head and

1943
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:15,280
she'll tell me

1944
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:16,800
but uh

1945
01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:18,159
anyway

1946
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:20,960
we had we had this extraordinary dinner

1947
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,239
and he told me about this and then

1948
01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:26,960
these same guys

1949
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:29,199
he was and he also by the way he told me

1950
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:32,239
that for the next five or six months

1951
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:33,760
he was so

1952
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:37,440
disturbed by this experience

1953
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:41,120
he was afraid that whatever was up there

1954
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:43,280
was going to track him down and

1955
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:45,679
literally fry his mind

1956
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:47,840
now he told me

1957
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:48,880
that

1958
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:54,000
group of visitors

1959
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:56,560
are intimidated by and that's the human

1960
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,440
psy

1961
01:32:02,550 --> 01:31:58,800
talent

1962
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:02,560
okay the humans are psychic more psychic

1963
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:05,199
than many of us even realize

1964
01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:07,040
now you know i used

1965
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:09,679
my psychic talent all the time when i

1966
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:12,320
was a cop but i didn't call it that it

1967
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,239
didn't hit me as that it was my gut

1968
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:16,880
feeling yeah your intuition my intuition

1969
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:19,280
my gut feeling sure which is actually a

1970
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:21,120
side talent

1971
01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:26,870
penetration i don't know if you can see

1972
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:28,159
it

1973
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:36,070
this is available

1974
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:39,040
online if you just put it in in a search

1975
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:40,880
engine

1976
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:43,679
with the title penetration

1977
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:44,560
and

1978
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:47,840
the author's name ingo swann

1979
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,239
and you can download it totally free

1980
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:52,400
okay now somebody put it up there now

1981
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:55,280
now now don i have to ask you

1982
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:57,440
and we're right up against a break

1983
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:00,719
what did ingo see on the moon that that

1984
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:02,960
blew him out of of that session that

1985
01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:03,920
week

1986
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:07,360
there was a an area

1987
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:08,560
that

1988
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:11,040
he saw and he saw it from the standpoint

1989
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:13,600
of being up in the air although there's

1990
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:15,440
no air in the moon he was he was

1991
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:16,800
elevated

1992
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:19,120
it was a number of buildings

1993
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:21,360
but it was surrounded

1994
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by

1995
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:25,120
and the only way to describe it the way

1996
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:27,440
he told me was like a force field a

1997
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:29,679
green screen

1998
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:32,080
surrounded this but

1999
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:35,280
the weird part that he observed

2000
01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:38,560
through this session he saw people out

2001
01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:41,679
there without suits on

2002
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:44,239
working in the lunar dirt doing

2003
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:45,679
something

2004
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:48,400
this is what he how he described it to

2005
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:49,679
me

2006
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:53,440
and he said as he was watching them

2007
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:56,239
suddenly a number of them somehow

2008
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,040
detected his presence

2009
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:01,920
and they stopped what they were doing

2010
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:06,639
they looked up directly at him

2011
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:10,080
and that shocked him so badly

2012
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:11,360
and he felt

2013
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:14,320
the he told me this as a matter of fact

2014
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:16,560
hang on a sec honey

2015
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:19,120
in that restaurant we were at in burbank

2016
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:21,199
with ingles swan

2017
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,600
oh market city cafe market city council

2018
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:25,280
of course the market city cafe it's a

2019
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:27,760
tremendous restaurant tremendous

2020
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:30,159
tremendous market city cafe that was it

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01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:33,280
my wife just came out and don i've gotta

2022
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:35,840
i've gotta head to a break but um i have

2023
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:37,920
heard this from other remote viewers

2024
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:40,080
also many that have worked with ingo i

2025
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:43,280
never got a chance to interview ingo but

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01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:44,320
that

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01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:47,679
at times they were seen

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01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:49,280
right that they were in and out you know

2029
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:52,560
that their presence was felt by who they

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01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:54,960
were remote viewing and it sounds like

2031
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:56,719
that's exactly what happened with ingo

2032
01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:58,159
and that would scare the crap out of

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01:35:02,709 --> 01:34:59,520
somebody wouldn't it

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01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:02,719
yes yeah but then they and i'll i'll

2035
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:05,119
tell you this part after the break

2036
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,760
but then these same guys

2037
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:09,840
took ango

2038
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,880
in a private jet up to alaska and what

2039
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:14,960
happened up there was extraordinary

2040
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:16,400
we'll talk about all of that when we

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01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:18,320
come back after this short break this is

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01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:19,840
fade to black i'm here with jimmy church

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01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:20,880
tonight

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01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:23,679
don ecker is with us

2045
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:25,440
and we're just getting started i'm your

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01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:27,280
host jimmy church this is fade to black

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01:35:33,390 --> 01:35:28,719
stay with us we'll be right back after

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01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:50,070
[Music]

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01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:53,270
way out here we listen to jimmy church

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01:36:01,750 --> 01:36:00,229
you're listening to jimmy church and

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fade to black

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[Applause]

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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:26,639
and this year june 18th 2022

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the mass meditation initiative it's

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one day only at the los angeles state

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historic park in downtown los angeles

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california right next to chinatown i'm

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hosting the event again this year with

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many more on four separate stages

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there's 16 stages in total over 30 acres

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in downtown los angeles with vendors and

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with billy carson adam apollo lori

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[Music]

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do you want to be an official fate or

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not of course you do this is jimmy

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church of fade to black just go to our

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vader knots when you think about the

2083
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future of our country and where we're

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headed do you wonder about the food

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01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,679
supply i do disruptions in the food

2086
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supply chain could be disastrous and

2087
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they usually occur with little warning

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that's why the smartest thing you can do

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today is to stockpile emergency food

2090
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you listen to us and we listen to you

2119
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:14,980
and so does the cia

2120
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:21,189
you are listening to fate to black with

2121
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,000
jimmy church on the game changer network

2122
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:28,480
hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

2123
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:31,440
jimmy church this is revolution the

2124
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:34,239
revolution will not be televised the

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01:39:42,210 --> 01:39:37,520
revolution is on radio

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01:39:42,220 --> 01:40:06,390
[Music]

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01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,960
then

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01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:16,820
[Music]

2129
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,990
welcome back paid to black i am your

2130
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,840
host jimmy church tonight don ecker is

2131
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,360
with us

2132
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,920
and uh before we get back to it and down

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01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:30,320
uh we're gonna get straight to ingo swan

2134
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,840
and alaska

2135
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:33,280
okay so

2136
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:35,679
but what i'm about to say doesn't need a

2137
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:38,320
response but i just want to say this

2138
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:41,760
that i owe you a great debt uh for where

2139
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:45,119
i am today it really goes that simple

2140
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:46,080
and

2141
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:58,880
myself

2142
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,679
what's don gonna do tonight right and

2143
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:03,600
and i learned

2144
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:06,080
freedom of thought from you

2145
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,000
and i'm just going to leave that right

2146
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:11,040
there okay and uh and i just owe you a

2147
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:12,800
big debt and thank you so much now let's

2148
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:14,159
get back to

2149
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:17,280
ingo swan in alaska uh

2150
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,679
you've got my attention sir

2151
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:21,920
well

2152
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:26,639
ingo was a uh was a an extraordinary man

2153
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:28,000
and

2154
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:30,880
when the stargate

2155
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:33,199
story broke

2156
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:34,400
uh

2157
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,280
we at ufo magazine got in touch

2158
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:41,679
with most of the identified

2159
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,920
former military personnel that were part

2160
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:45,520
of that program

2161
01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:48,239
and i've interviewed over the years

2162
01:41:50,910 --> 01:41:50,000
a number of them

2163
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,920
and

2164
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,800
everyone

2165
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:54,960
that i spoke with

2166
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,679
i asked them about swan

2167
01:42:01,510 --> 01:42:00,239
now ingo of course passed on a few years

2168
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:01,520
ago

2169
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,920
back in new york

2170
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:05,760
and

2171
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:09,280
i was very saddened when i learned about

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01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:10,719
that

2173
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:15,679
because when we were doing the the uh

2174
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:18,000
loner show the moon show the truth

2175
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:20,320
revealed show which aired on the sci-fi

2176
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:21,440
channel

2177
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,440
i tried

2178
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,960
to get ingo

2179
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:26,960
to come on

2180
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,840
and he had basically

2181
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:31,520
pretty much at that point now i don't

2182
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,679
know it might have been his health

2183
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:35,840
but he totally

2184
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:38,400
had withdrawn himself

2185
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:40,480
from everything

2186
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:44,400
okay this is shortly before he passed on

2187
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:48,000
now uh i was able and and not that i'm

2188
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:50,000
getting sidetracked but i got to mention

2189
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:51,040
this guy

2190
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:54,719
uh

2191
01:43:03,030 --> 01:42:58,159
i i'd be kicking myself all night

2192
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:03,040
right after thanksgiving in 1995

2193
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:06,159
on my original radio show which aired on

2194
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:10,560
crn it was it was called ufos tonight

2195
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:13,040
and i did the show for five and a half

2196
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:14,239
years

2197
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,760
uh

2198
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:18,239
originally it started on sunday evenings

2199
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:19,600
but then it

2200
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:22,480
it was moved to saturday night

2201
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:23,600
and

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01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,840
of relationships

2203
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:30,400
because people didn't want to go out on

2204
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:32,000
saturday because they went and this is

2205
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:35,440
this is true i mean i'm not i'm not just

2206
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:38,480
you know i'm not making this story up uh

2207
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:41,440
they they just loved that show so much

2208
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:42,320
and

2209
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,600
i had a guy on

2210
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:48,320
right after thanksgiving 95 by the name

2211
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:51,199
of vito sikari

2212
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:54,719
now veto

2213
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,960
had one of the most

2214
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:58,560
extraordinary

2215
01:44:01,430 --> 01:44:00,159
stories

2216
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:01,440
uh

2217
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:04,400
that that i ever i ever broadcast

2218
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:07,360
and even to this day

2219
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,000
when when people ask me what what is my

2220
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,639
most favorite popular show that i ever

2221
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,320
did

2222
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,639
i pulled a copy of vito sakari's show

2223
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:19,040
out now who was he

2224
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:22,480
vito was a petrochemical engineer

2225
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:24,639
who later had his own business but at

2226
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:28,320
the time in 78 79

2227
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,960
was working for another company in

2228
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:32,560
houston

2229
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:37,119
and uh they had business dealings

2230
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:40,480
with another american company

2231
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:43,920
that was based in venezuela before

2232
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:46,960
venezuela went all socialist commie

2233
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:51,199
okay they they had a thriving oil

2234
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,840
industry down there

2235
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:56,000
and one of the people

2236
01:45:00,550 --> 01:44:58,320
that veto had met

2237
01:45:01,669 --> 01:45:00,560
through teletype now remember this is

2238
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:01,679
before

2239
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:09,600
they would communicate back and forth on

2240
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:11,360
teletape

2241
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:15,600
and the guy's name was lester house

2242
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:19,199
and lester was sent by his company up to

2243
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:20,400
to uh

2244
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:22,480
veto's company

2245
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:24,960
uh on some kind of deal that they were

2246
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:28,239
doing for the venezuelan oil people

2247
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,960
and uh but when he got up there

2248
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:32,560
he said you know

2249
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:34,320
veto he said i got to tell you i had

2250
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:37,199
ulterior modis for coming up here

2251
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:40,159
and vito said uh what was that lester

2252
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:42,719
and he reached into his back pocket and

2253
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,199
he pulled out a copy

2254
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:47,280
of george leonard's book somebody else

2255
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:48,800
is on the moon

2256
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:51,440
now when this book came out in 76 it

2257
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:53,199
disappeared

2258
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:56,880
almost as fast as it came out

2259
01:46:00,790 --> 01:45:59,199
okay it was almost impossible to find a

2260
01:46:02,629 --> 01:46:00,800
copy of it

2261
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,639
but he said look he said i'm not even

2262
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:04,320
going to tell you what this is all about

2263
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:06,400
but take this home tonight

2264
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:08,960
read as much of it as you can

2265
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:10,400
and

2266
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:12,320
we'll talk about it tomorrow so the next

2267
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:14,159
day vito came back and he handed

2268
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:16,560
lester's book back and he said yeah he

2269
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:17,840
said okay

2270
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:20,239
uh this is a strange book

2271
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,199
and lester said yeah now do you know why

2272
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:25,119
i want to be here i want to go over to

2273
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:26,960
to nasa

2274
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:29,440
and i want to see some of those moon

2275
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:31,360
pictures

2276
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:34,480
well that started them

2277
01:46:41,669 --> 01:46:38,800
on a three week odyssey

2278
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:41,679
where nasa threatened to have them

2279
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,480
arrested for espionage

2280
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:47,600
nasa the the only open federal

2281
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:49,760
bureaucracy right

2282
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:52,480
in the whole federal government the open

2283
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:54,560
scientific nasa

2284
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:57,760
and what they put those guys through

2285
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:59,679
was

2286
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:01,760
an amazing story

2287
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:02,719
but

2288
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:04,880
anyway

2289
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:06,880
that and then

2290
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:08,560
what happened with

2291
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:12,000
ingleswan now ingo after his lunar

2292
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:14,239
remote viewing session

2293
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:16,880
was contacted by

2294
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,679
well the guy was going by the name of mr

2295
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:21,280
axelrod

2296
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:23,760
this was the chief

2297
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:25,199
honcho

2298
01:47:33,430 --> 01:47:31,189
this endeavor whatever this endeavor was

2299
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:33,440
and he said

2300
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:35,280
ingo

2301
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:37,520
how would you like to have

2302
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:40,480
your remote viewing validated

2303
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:41,840
now you see that's the thing about

2304
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:43,600
remote viewing

2305
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:46,080
remote viewers will tell you

2306
01:47:50,550 --> 01:47:46,960
that

2307
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:50,560
no matter how good they are and swan was

2308
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:57,910
how often what you actually see

2309
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:00,239
when you're in these sessions

2310
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,800
can later be proven

2311
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:04,880
well

2312
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:09,679
trip

2313
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:10,960
you want to go

2314
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:13,520
and obviously he said yeah

2315
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,400
so he took him out to uh to an airport

2316
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:18,960
they get on a small jet

2317
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:20,239
and

2318
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:22,639
they flew to alaska

2319
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,000
they got up to alaska

2320
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:29,440
landed then they got in a land rover or

2321
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:31,679
something and they went up into the

2322
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,280
wilderness

2323
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:35,920
i have no idea how far up in the country

2324
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:37,199
they were

2325
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,280
but an area that was incredibly remote

2326
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,080
with a lake there

2327
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:46,800
they got down to the lake

2328
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:50,560
and there was there was axelrod and

2329
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:52,239
the two

2330
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,960
well i call them his muscle

2331
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,400
two guys

2332
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,800
that ingo referred to

2333
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,719
as the twins

2334
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:02,880
now they weren't twins

2335
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:04,800
but they were both you know these

2336
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,440
muscular buildup guys it looked like

2337
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:09,600
they could turn you into a pretzel and

2338
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:12,639
not not uh try very hard

2339
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:14,560
and uh

2340
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:17,920
they never very seldom ever spoke

2341
01:49:20,350 --> 01:49:20,000
well they got into this little

2342
01:49:21,589 --> 01:49:20,360
uh

2343
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,599
[Music]

2344
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:23,760
like a a

2345
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:27,040
an enclave a little ditch or something

2346
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:28,800
where they were

2347
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:31,760
they were not above ground like a uh

2348
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:34,880
like somebody had dug out a pit

2349
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:36,800
and

2350
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:40,960
axelrod told engel just watch the lake

2351
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:43,280
while they were watching the lake

2352
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,239
there are birds around deer on the other

2353
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,560
side of the lake they could see

2354
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:50,400
walking down to get a drink of water

2355
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,480
that kind of thing

2356
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:55,440
and suddenly above the middle of the

2357
01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:58,320
lake according to ingo

2358
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:01,840
like this pillar of smote

2359
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:04,880
began to appear

2360
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:08,719
and as a little time went on it expanded

2361
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:12,000
and expanded more and expanded more

2362
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:13,679
and suddenly

2363
01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:17,920
there was an arrow pointed like craft

2364
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:25,669
and axelrod told swann don't move they

2365
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,520
can detect movement and they can scan

2366
01:50:33,589 --> 01:50:31,760
and detect life

2367
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:33,599
and suddenly

2368
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:36,560
according to swan this thing began

2369
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:37,760
firing

2370
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,480
laser bolts or whatever they were like

2371
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:42,080
lasers

2372
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:44,239
all around the lake

2373
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:47,440
they were hitting trees exploding

2374
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:49,920
they they knocked down a deer you know

2375
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:52,639
anything that was above ground and

2376
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:55,840
moving they shot

2377
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:58,960
and when did that happen ango about had

2378
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:01,119
an involuntary bowel movement as you

2379
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,320
might uh

2380
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:05,280
you might suspect i think i just did

2381
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:06,880
actually yeah

2382
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:11,040
and he dove and he got jammed in his

2383
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,000
calf

2384
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:14,560
with a stick he later had to have

2385
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:15,840
some medical

2386
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:17,599
stuff done to it

2387
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:18,400
but

2388
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:21,040
they watched this thing

2389
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:23,920
and i forget what else now it's been a

2390
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:26,080
while since i talked about this it might

2391
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:27,360
have been

2392
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,639
drawing

2393
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:30,239
fresh water

2394
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:31,679
from the lake

2395
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:35,040
and then poof it was gone

2396
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,280
they went back to the car

2397
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,679
or the land rover got into it and he

2398
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,760
came back to the states or

2399
01:51:45,430 --> 01:51:43,920
came back down to new york

2400
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:45,440
and uh

2401
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:48,000
he was just flabbergasted now he talks

2402
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:50,239
about that in his book penetration too

2403
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,760
by the way

2404
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,000
and that that's another reason to

2405
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:56,000
try to get a copy of that

2406
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:59,280
but very very strange so

2407
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,679
as far as he was concerned

2408
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:03,840
that was proof positive that they're

2409
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:05,440
here

2410
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:09,760
what um uh in the description of the

2411
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:12,960
craft this is coming from ingo right so

2412
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:13,760
right

2413
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:16,000
this is face value you know on every

2414
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:16,880
level

2415
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:19,599
um did he describe the craft it sounds

2416
01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:22,239
like it was it was a physical

2417
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:24,719
yeah it was yeah it was it it came out

2418
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:26,080
of this

2419
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:29,599
it materialized out of that

2420
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:32,480
what he called smoke now who knows what

2421
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:34,880
the heck it was maybe they were opening

2422
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:35,679
up

2423
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,400
a mini wormhole and this thing was

2424
01:52:43,109 --> 01:52:40,880
slipping through i i'm speculating jimmy

2425
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:43,119
i mean i don't have any knowledge about

2426
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:47,280
it but just going by what he told me

2427
01:52:49,950 --> 01:52:48,880
uh this thing

2428
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:49,960
suddenly

2429
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:52,400
materialized it was there

2430
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,119
it did what it did

2431
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,840
then it i think if i remember correctly

2432
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:59,280
i'm gonna have to go back and reread

2433
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:01,119
that part in the book again

2434
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:04,000
uh if it did what i recall i think it

2435
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:06,239
was sucking up some water

2436
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:07,599
from the lake

2437
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:11,599
and then poof it was gone can i ask

2438
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:15,040
can i go back uh for a moment here sure

2439
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:17,760
um and and talk about your sighting in

2440
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:20,239
1966

2441
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,719
first off because it's all related and

2442
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:25,599
i've had my own sightings as well right

2443
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:29,119
where i i don't know what i'm seeing

2444
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:31,360
i i i don't have any answers i don't

2445
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,159
think uh uh most of us do

2446
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:36,960
but uh this thing with ingo

2447
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,199
is very very interesting and personal

2448
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:42,080
this is his own experience

2449
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:45,199
uh take me back to 1966 and and what

2450
01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:47,360
happened then

2451
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:50,239
okay i'm originally from the east coast

2452
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:52,320
i'm from pennsylvania

2453
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:54,800
central western pa

2454
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:57,840
and in 1966

2455
01:54:01,030 --> 01:53:59,679
i was in high school

2456
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,040
and uh

2457
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:03,920
every year

2458
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:05,920
at least back then and it's probably not

2459
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,280
changed

2460
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:09,360
right before

2461
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:11,679
the christmas holidays

2462
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:14,480
deer season opened

2463
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:15,440
okay

2464
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:18,800
and everybody hunted or or most

2465
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:21,520
everybody i knew were hunters

2466
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:24,560
and deer season when it opened was like

2467
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:26,400
christmas easter and halloween all

2468
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,000
rolled up in one

2469
01:54:32,229 --> 01:54:30,000
the schools even gave the first day of

2470
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:32,239
deer season off

2471
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:32,960
so

2472
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:33,760
uh

2473
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:37,440
where i lived there was a very famous

2474
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,199
railroad

2475
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:41,360
uh

2476
01:54:46,390 --> 01:54:44,239
railroad engineering place called the

2477
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:46,400
horseshoe curve

2478
01:54:52,070 --> 01:54:47,440
okay

2479
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:52,080
that was built in the 1840s and 50s

2480
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:54,639
and it's exactly shaped

2481
01:54:59,589 --> 01:54:57,119
like a horseshoe

2482
01:55:01,990 --> 01:54:59,599
it will take you from the east coast all

2483
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:02,000
the way to chicago as a matter of fact

2484
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,880
during the second world war if the

2485
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,960
germans would have had

2486
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:09,119
bombers capable

2487
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:11,520
of reaching the united states

2488
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,639
that would have been one of their

2489
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:14,320
primary targets

2490
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:16,960
because of all the military equipment

2491
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:19,199
that was moved through there both going

2492
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:21,840
east and west

2493
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:22,960
but it's

2494
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:25,199
part of the allegheny mountains

2495
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:28,400
and there's a lot of game up there

2496
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:31,040
well the first day of deer season

2497
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:32,960
i was with three of my high school

2498
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:34,159
buddies

2499
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:36,400
and we had gone up there early in the

2500
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:39,760
morning we had hunted all day long now

2501
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,760
december pennsylvania it gets dark early

2502
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:44,960
okay

2503
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:48,320
and it was a little after 4 p.m

2504
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:51,840
and we were cold we were hungry we had

2505
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,280
been skunked all day didn't see a thing

2506
01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:57,199
and we're going home

2507
01:56:01,430 --> 01:56:00,560
and we're coming down off the hill and i

2508
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:01,440
was

2509
01:56:08,629 --> 01:56:06,239
and then there were two guys behind me

2510
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,639
suddenly one of the guys in the in the

2511
01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:10,320
rear behind me

2512
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:13,360
started yelling and jumping up and down

2513
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:16,800
well my first thought was this [\h__\h]

2514
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:20,159
saw a deer and he's gonna obviously

2515
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:22,560
scare it off right and i turned around

2516
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:25,119
to chew on his butt a little bit

2517
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:28,560
and he was looking up in the sky

2518
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:31,119
and i looked up

2519
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,800
and there were four

2520
01:56:36,310 --> 01:56:35,119
brilliant arc light

2521
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:36,320
lights

2522
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:39,840
flying at a very leisurely pace in a

2523
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:42,560
diamond formation

2524
01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:45,679
and i i have no idea how high they were

2525
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:47,920
i've guessed in the past

2526
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:51,760
maybe 12 14 15 000 feet up

2527
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:53,440
but they couldn't have been going more

2528
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:56,000
than a couple of hundred miles an hour

2529
01:57:02,390 --> 01:56:59,760
and as they overflew us suddenly

2530
01:57:05,189 --> 01:57:02,400
the light in the rear

2531
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:05,199
shot straight up in the sky just like an

2532
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:07,760
atlas rocket taken off boom

2533
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:10,400
and i mean it was gone

2534
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:13,199
and when that happened

2535
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:14,560
suddenly

2536
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:17,040
the three lights that are now in a v

2537
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:18,400
formation

2538
01:57:24,629 --> 01:57:20,800
hit a burst of speed

2539
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:24,639
and they were out of sight in seconds

2540
01:57:29,669 --> 01:57:27,360
now i had no idea i knew they weren't

2541
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,679
terrestrial aircraft right

2542
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:31,520
i couldn't wait to get home and i told

2543
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:34,560
my parents i was positive

2544
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:36,400
that it would be all over the news and

2545
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:39,040
of course it wasn't now at the time i

2546
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:40,560
was not aware

2547
01:57:44,709 --> 01:57:43,040
but that was happening all across that

2548
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:44,719
part of the country

2549
01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:48,239
pennsylvania new jersey new york

2550
01:57:52,149 --> 01:57:49,679
uh

2551
01:57:56,390 --> 01:57:52,159
west virginia that's where the famous

2552
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:56,400
mothman thing happened michigan

2553
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:58,239
well i don't remember michigan being

2554
01:58:02,470 --> 01:57:59,840
mentioned then

2555
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:02,480
but uh yeah i mean later i've heard

2556
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:03,280
about

2557
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:06,400
accounts of these things being seen

2558
01:58:14,229 --> 01:58:12,239
but jersey new york pennsylvania uh ohio

2559
01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:14,239
yeah they were all

2560
01:58:17,669 --> 01:58:16,000
being overflown

2561
01:58:19,430 --> 01:58:17,679
and and it was just not covered in the

2562
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:19,440
news nobody covered it

2563
01:58:23,589 --> 01:58:22,080
you know what what do you when when

2564
01:58:26,310 --> 01:58:23,599
um

2565
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:27,910
this is the deal

2566
01:58:31,669 --> 01:58:30,480
when you tell that story

2567
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:31,679
um

2568
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:33,520
and you

2569
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:35,280
uh

2570
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:37,119
want people to understand what you're

2571
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:39,679
saying right hopefully believe right but

2572
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:42,960
at least understand what you are saying

2573
01:58:48,950 --> 01:58:45,599
and then you put yourself in another

2574
01:58:50,229 --> 01:58:48,960
perspective when we are listening to

2575
01:58:52,229 --> 01:58:50,239
others that

2576
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:52,239
are trying to

2577
01:58:57,189 --> 01:58:54,960
describe you know what what they saw and

2578
01:59:00,149 --> 01:58:57,199
what they witnessed and these things get

2579
01:59:01,750 --> 01:59:00,159
dismissed but you've had your own siding

2580
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:01,760
and you listen to others what do you do

2581
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:04,080
with that you know i mean do you just

2582
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:06,080
have to leave everything open and on the

2583
01:59:10,229 --> 01:59:07,760
table because you've had your own first

2584
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:10,239
i i gotta tell you i anybody that knows

2585
01:59:13,910 --> 01:59:12,000
me knows that

2586
01:59:15,669 --> 01:59:13,920
i am not a guy that

2587
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:15,679
exaggerates or

2588
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:17,920
i'm not a guy that

2589
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:21,199
you know uh goes off the rails with that

2590
01:59:26,790 --> 01:59:24,239
kind of stuff and it it happened to me i

2591
01:59:29,910 --> 01:59:26,800
lay it out and if you choose to believe

2592
01:59:31,990 --> 01:59:29,920
it well it's true good if you don't well

2593
01:59:34,550 --> 01:59:32,000
nothing i can do about that

2594
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:34,560
so you know it's it

2595
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:36,239
i guess the easiest way to say it it

2596
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:39,040
makes no never mind to me okay that's

2597
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:40,320
what happened

2598
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:41,679
and uh

2599
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:43,199
there it is so

2600
01:59:48,310 --> 01:59:45,119
yeah uh uh

2601
01:59:50,470 --> 01:59:48,320
just real quickly um you know steve

2602
01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:50,480
steve morello of moveon

2603
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:53,679
and uh steve and i were with a group of

2604
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:55,199
friends and i'm bringing this up because

2605
02:00:00,229 --> 01:59:57,280
you know steve and steve and i

2606
02:00:02,870 --> 02:00:00,239
have had a few crazy things happen to us

2607
02:00:05,109 --> 02:00:02,880
together and i'm so thankful because

2608
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:05,119
he's so rational right i've got him next

2609
02:00:08,709 --> 02:00:06,159
to me

2610
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:08,719
but anyway we're we're out in the desert

2611
02:00:11,669 --> 02:00:10,080
one day just

2612
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:11,679
kind of like what you've described right

2613
02:00:14,390 --> 02:00:12,480
there

2614
02:00:16,229 --> 02:00:14,400
and steve and i are with

2615
02:00:18,390 --> 02:00:16,239
five six seven eight people out on this

2616
02:00:19,830 --> 02:00:18,400
patio in the middle of the desert

2617
02:00:21,430 --> 02:00:19,840
and um

2618
02:00:23,510 --> 02:00:21,440
and somebody says wouldn't it be cool if

2619
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:23,520
we just saw ufo right now it's like 11

2620
02:00:26,550 --> 02:00:24,960
o'clock at night you know we're eating

2621
02:00:28,550 --> 02:00:26,560
pizza and beer and that kind of thing

2622
02:00:31,990 --> 02:00:28,560
and at that moment don

2623
02:00:33,270 --> 02:00:32,000
at that moment about a quarter mile away

2624
02:00:34,470 --> 02:00:33,280
in the middle of the desert there's

2625
02:00:37,350 --> 02:00:34,480
nothing there

2626
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:37,360
this light i don't it was just a light

2627
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:41,040
that was it but it went

2628
02:00:46,149 --> 02:00:44,080
like from the desert floor to the stars

2629
02:00:48,390 --> 02:00:46,159
in like two seconds like what you're

2630
02:00:50,790 --> 02:00:48,400
describing there right and and we're

2631
02:00:52,229 --> 02:00:50,800
standing there like did that just happen

2632
02:00:54,070 --> 02:00:52,239
on q

2633
02:00:56,629 --> 02:00:54,080
right on cue

2634
02:00:58,629 --> 02:00:56,639
it goes back to this consciousness thing

2635
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:58,639
that you had brought up earlier like you

2636
02:01:02,470 --> 02:01:00,719
know like with a john keel

2637
02:01:04,790 --> 02:01:02,480
that there may be something else of this

2638
02:01:07,270 --> 02:01:04,800
phenomenon that is directly connected to

2639
02:01:09,510 --> 02:01:07,280
our minds i don't know what that is

2640
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:09,520
but that event with steve and i that

2641
02:01:15,350 --> 02:01:12,719
happened on cue don and i i have no way

2642
02:01:17,430 --> 02:01:15,360
back back to the side talent

2643
02:01:19,189 --> 02:01:17,440
that we all have did you were you

2644
02:01:21,589 --> 02:01:19,199
familiar with uh

2645
02:01:25,109 --> 02:01:21,599
with my dear dear friend rich sarah day

2646
02:01:26,070 --> 02:01:25,119
richard sarah david passed away yes

2647
02:01:29,589 --> 02:01:26,080
okay

2648
02:01:33,350 --> 02:01:29,599
well over the years rich and i had

2649
02:01:35,350 --> 02:01:33,360
our share of adventures

2650
02:01:38,310 --> 02:01:35,360
and uh

2651
02:01:42,709 --> 02:01:38,320
we used to things would pop up with the

2652
02:01:46,870 --> 02:01:42,719
magazine and we had a very small staff

2653
02:01:49,109 --> 02:01:46,880
usually there were just me my wife vicki

2654
02:01:51,030 --> 02:01:49,119
and our administrative assistant but

2655
02:01:53,350 --> 02:01:51,040
things would pop up

2656
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:53,360
and i would have to

2657
02:01:57,750 --> 02:01:54,880
go out and take care of it as the

2658
02:02:00,550 --> 02:01:57,760
director of research and richard

2659
02:02:02,550 --> 02:02:00,560
and i were working together then we were

2660
02:02:04,870 --> 02:02:02,560
working on a number of

2661
02:02:07,990 --> 02:02:04,880
we were trying to do some

2662
02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:08,000
some television media content

2663
02:02:13,669 --> 02:02:11,440
and richard had been an extremely

2664
02:02:16,390 --> 02:02:13,679
well-known actor

2665
02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:16,400
back in the 70s and the 80s for four

2666
02:02:21,350 --> 02:02:18,560
years he had starred

2667
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:21,360
on general hospital okay

2668
02:02:25,830 --> 02:02:23,920
and had done a lot of other a lot of

2669
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:25,840
other things he was in the original

2670
02:02:30,310 --> 02:02:27,440
movie midway

2671
02:02:33,030 --> 02:02:30,320
with henry fonda and glenn ford and you

2672
02:02:35,750 --> 02:02:33,040
know charles coburn and all all those

2673
02:02:37,589 --> 02:02:35,760
guys those legendary actors

2674
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:37,599
so anyway i get a call from a guy in

2675
02:02:42,310 --> 02:02:39,920
vegas

2676
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:42,320
and uh he said uh

2677
02:02:47,030 --> 02:02:45,280
this is ufo magazine right yeah

2678
02:02:49,430 --> 02:02:47,040
yeah who am i talking to well this is

2679
02:02:50,950 --> 02:02:49,440
don ecker i'm the director of research

2680
02:02:53,669 --> 02:02:50,960
well

2681
02:02:56,070 --> 02:02:53,679
i got something you've got to see

2682
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:56,080
now jimmy i've heard that a thousand

2683
02:03:01,750 --> 02:02:58,400
times right okay

2684
02:03:04,390 --> 02:03:01,760
and i said well okay what is it

2685
02:03:06,310 --> 02:03:04,400
he said well it's some pictures

2686
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:06,320
all right uh

2687
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:09,040
where did you get them

2688
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:11,360
well i found them in a coffee table we

2689
02:03:18,310 --> 02:03:14,960
bought at a thrift store

2690
02:03:21,830 --> 02:03:18,320
you found the pictures in a coffee table

2691
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:21,840
yeah they were concealed in a lake

2692
02:03:26,830 --> 02:03:24,400
they said they were what concealed in a

2693
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:26,840
leg yeah

2694
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:30,000
so i talked a little bit more to him and

2695
02:03:34,870 --> 02:03:32,400
i said look uh let me think about this

2696
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:34,880
and i'll let you know so i called rich

2697
02:03:39,589 --> 02:03:36,880
up and i said hey

2698
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:39,599
what do you think road trip yeah yes

2699
02:03:45,830 --> 02:03:43,840
yeah right let's do a road trip

2700
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:45,840
so i called the guy up and said okay

2701
02:03:50,229 --> 02:03:48,000
we'll be over on such and such a date

2702
02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:50,239
and the guy said no wait

2703
02:03:53,510 --> 02:03:52,159
he said i don't want you just coming to

2704
02:03:56,390 --> 02:03:53,520
my apartment

2705
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:56,400
i want to meet you in a restaurant

2706
02:04:03,270 --> 02:03:59,679
well suddenly i got vibes

2707
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,109
so i said

2708
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:07,679
a restaurant oh okay sure

2709
02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:10,480
so we drive over there

2710
02:04:15,830 --> 02:04:13,119
and uh you're familiar with the

2711
02:04:18,069 --> 02:04:15,840
with the drive from la to uh

2712
02:04:20,149 --> 02:04:18,079
vegas right i've done it many times i

2713
02:04:21,270 --> 02:04:20,159
think i'm gonna do it next week actually

2714
02:04:23,669 --> 02:04:21,280
well

2715
02:04:26,790 --> 02:04:23,679
we get over there to this restaurant we

2716
02:04:29,990 --> 02:04:26,800
go in sit down order a cup of coffee

2717
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:30,000
and this big guy walks in

2718
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:31,360
wearing a

2719
02:04:34,709 --> 02:04:33,599
jacket he's got the jacket all zippered

2720
02:04:37,109 --> 02:04:34,719
up

2721
02:04:39,669 --> 02:04:37,119
and he comes over and he looks at us and

2722
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:39,679
he said are you don i said yeah

2723
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:41,040
okay

2724
02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:42,400
well

2725
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:43,920
follow me

2726
02:04:47,669 --> 02:04:44,880
okay

2727
02:04:50,709 --> 02:04:47,679
don i i gotta take a break but that's a

2728
02:04:53,109 --> 02:04:50,719
perfect spot to do it right there let's

2729
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:53,119
take a break uh richard sarah day and

2730
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:56,639
don ecker in vegas is coming up next

2731
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,719
this is fade to black i'm your host

2732
02:05:02,980 --> 02:05:00,560
jimmy church stay with us we'll be right

2733
02:05:11,470 --> 02:05:02,990
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02:05:12,630 --> 02:05:11,480
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02:05:15,350 --> 02:05:12,640
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2820
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:47,599
lori spania laura eisenhower brattles

2821
02:08:52,750 --> 02:08:49,920
and david palmer and many many more it's

2822
02:08:54,629 --> 02:08:52,760
all simple to do just go to

2823
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:54,639
disclosurefest.org for all of your

2824
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:56,320
tickets information and the full

2825
02:09:01,930 --> 02:08:59,520
schedule of the day's events again

2826
02:09:14,550 --> 02:09:01,940
disclosurefest.org

2827
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:16,390
you wanna know a secret

2828
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:20,159
i love police i really love ponies i'm

2829
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:21,520
serious

2830
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:23,760
i couldn't stay sane without pulling mr

2831
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:25,119
brush

2832
02:09:33,669 --> 02:09:27,199
why fade to black

2833
02:09:42,770 --> 02:09:35,830
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2834
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:52,790
[Music]

2835
02:09:56,550 --> 02:09:54,880
all right welcome back fade to black

2836
02:09:58,870 --> 02:09:56,560
what a great show tonight

2837
02:10:02,550 --> 02:09:58,880
great conversation with don ecker

2838
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:04,470
dom we have a problem i'm just going to

2839
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:07,199
let you know we have a problem my man

2840
02:10:10,709 --> 02:10:08,960
uh

2841
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:10,719
i don't want to run out of time can i

2842
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:13,280
keep you for an extra segment at the

2843
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:15,360
bottom of the hour

2844
02:10:19,189 --> 02:10:17,040
is your wife goodnight are you going to

2845
02:10:20,830 --> 02:10:19,199
send me a check i will send you we're

2846
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:20,840
neighbors i'll buy dinner

2847
02:10:25,189 --> 02:10:22,880
[Laughter]

2848
02:10:28,310 --> 02:10:25,199
so um let's let's get

2849
02:10:29,910 --> 02:10:28,320
okay so uh to richard sarah day you guys

2850
02:10:33,109 --> 02:10:29,920
road trip to vegas

2851
02:10:34,550 --> 02:10:33,119
you meet uh this individual

2852
02:10:37,830 --> 02:10:34,560
i'm just doing a little recap in a

2853
02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:37,840
restaurant big dude cowboy hat and he

2854
02:10:43,270 --> 02:10:40,320
pops in says are you don let's go what

2855
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:43,280
happens next well we get back to his

2856
02:10:47,510 --> 02:10:44,560
apartment

2857
02:10:49,990 --> 02:10:47,520
he's living with uh his girlfriend

2858
02:10:53,109 --> 02:10:50,000
uh this was not a kid

2859
02:10:54,229 --> 02:10:53,119
this guy was probably in his 40s

2860
02:10:55,030 --> 02:10:54,239
and

2861
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:55,040
i

2862
02:11:03,589 --> 02:11:00,400
okay

2863
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:03,599
we walk in his apartment

2864
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:06,320
he reaches in his jacket and he pulls

2865
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:10,880
out a 357 magnum revolver oh

2866
02:11:14,550 --> 02:11:11,920
and

2867
02:11:16,390 --> 02:11:14,560
all of a sudden i'm i'm paying attention

2868
02:11:18,109 --> 02:11:16,400
okay what the hell is this guy doing

2869
02:11:19,669 --> 02:11:18,119
with a with a

2870
02:11:23,189 --> 02:11:19,679
357

2871
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:23,199
well he had himself convinced i think

2872
02:11:28,790 --> 02:11:26,159
all right i put on my cap head

2873
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:28,800
that these pictures he had

2874
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:31,520
potentially were dangerous

2875
02:11:34,709 --> 02:11:32,880
okay

2876
02:11:38,229 --> 02:11:34,719
so anyway

2877
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:38,239
he sticks the pistol up in a closet and

2878
02:11:48,310 --> 02:11:46,149
and uh i said well okay

2879
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:48,320
guy let's uh

2880
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:50,480
let's take a look at those pictures well

2881
02:11:55,189 --> 02:11:53,599
he pulls him out of a leg

2882
02:11:57,030 --> 02:11:55,199
in the table

2883
02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:57,040
now i gotta

2884
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:59,599
gotta mention this i said he was dirt

2885
02:12:07,350 --> 02:12:01,280
poor

2886
02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:07,360
and i obviously the guy didn't what

2887
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:09,760
didn't have a job wasn't working

2888
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:13,360
they had been breaking up furniture

2889
02:12:17,589 --> 02:12:15,760
to build a fire with

2890
02:12:19,669 --> 02:12:17,599
okay

2891
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:19,679
so and that's how they found the

2892
02:12:24,149 --> 02:12:22,400
pictures i'm guessing

2893
02:12:25,270 --> 02:12:24,159
because that was my next question what

2894
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:25,280
would

2895
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:29,679
know pulling a table leg off of a table

2896
02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:31,599
that you just bought to look for

2897
02:12:34,550 --> 02:12:33,760
something but it was for firewood holy

2898
02:12:36,550 --> 02:12:34,560
crap

2899
02:12:39,750 --> 02:12:36,560
okay gotcha

2900
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:39,760
so he pulls these photos out and i look

2901
02:12:42,790 --> 02:12:40,719
at them

2902
02:12:44,310 --> 02:12:42,800
now i'm not a photo analyst

2903
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:44,320
all right

2904
02:12:48,870 --> 02:12:46,719
but it was obvious

2905
02:12:50,950 --> 02:12:48,880
these these were photographs taken from

2906
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:50,960
the bombing range

2907
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:53,360
probably from an aircraft flying over

2908
02:12:57,510 --> 02:12:55,520
examining they were testing

2909
02:12:58,550 --> 02:12:57,520
i guess the air force was testing

2910
02:13:02,470 --> 02:12:58,560
dropping

2911
02:13:04,629 --> 02:13:02,480
uh conventional high explosive bombs

2912
02:13:06,629 --> 02:13:04,639
and uh

2913
02:13:08,870 --> 02:13:06,639
and i'm trying to think how do i tell

2914
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:08,880
this guy nicely

2915
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:11,440
that there's nothing here that we would

2916
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:13,599
be interested in

2917
02:13:20,790 --> 02:13:17,040
so we chat a little bit and i told him i

2918
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:23,589
there's really nothing here okay

2919
02:13:28,069 --> 02:13:25,440
there are some buildings i see in the

2920
02:13:30,149 --> 02:13:28,079
distance i see some craters

2921
02:13:31,189 --> 02:13:30,159
uh but there's nothing here that that

2922
02:13:35,030 --> 02:13:31,199
would uh

2923
02:13:38,229 --> 02:13:35,040
that would tie in with the ufo topic

2924
02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:38,239
so he was disappointed by that i said

2925
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:40,079
what what were you thinking about doing

2926
02:13:43,030 --> 02:13:42,239
he said well i thought maybe you could

2927
02:13:45,300 --> 02:13:43,040
uh

2928
02:13:48,069 --> 02:13:45,310
buy them for like ten thousand dollars

2929
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:48,079
[Laughter]

2930
02:13:52,310 --> 02:13:49,440
i said

2931
02:13:55,189 --> 02:13:52,320
ten thousand dollars

2932
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:55,199
pal if i had ten grand i'd be down at

2933
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:59,040
the casino i wouldn't be here so anyway

2934
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:00,400
uh

2935
02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:03,760
rich and i each ended up giving the guy

2936
02:14:06,550 --> 02:14:05,520
20 bucks

2937
02:14:09,430 --> 02:14:06,560
okay

2938
02:14:11,109 --> 02:14:09,440
uh i felt i really felt bad for him all

2939
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:11,119
right

2940
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:13,280
but rich reached in his wallet he pulled

2941
02:14:17,830 --> 02:14:15,679
out of 20 and he said here he said you

2942
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:17,840
know maybe you can take your girlfriend

2943
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:19,679
out get get a bite deed or something and

2944
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:22,239
i i said yeah let me let me contribute

2945
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:24,480
to and i pulled out 20.

2946
02:14:29,910 --> 02:14:27,440
and uh he thanked this and uh he gave me

2947
02:14:30,950 --> 02:14:29,920
the he gave me the photographs he gave

2948
02:14:32,709 --> 02:14:30,960
them to me

2949
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:32,719
there was nothing there but he gave them

2950
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:34,159
to me so

2951
02:14:38,709 --> 02:14:36,880
we stopped at a restaurant we had a nice

2952
02:14:41,510 --> 02:14:38,719
steak dinner

2953
02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:41,520
and by this time that day i would guess

2954
02:14:46,310 --> 02:14:43,920
and rich was a coffee lover we must have

2955
02:14:48,310 --> 02:14:46,320
had between us three and a half four

2956
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:48,320
gallons of coffee

2957
02:14:52,790 --> 02:14:51,360
so we leave vegas we're driving up the

2958
02:14:55,350 --> 02:14:52,800
highway

2959
02:14:58,069 --> 02:14:55,360
and we get to sizzix road now you know

2960
02:15:01,270 --> 02:14:58,079
oh yes i do one of my favorite

2961
02:15:03,109 --> 02:15:01,280
is it sizzix or is it syzygy

2962
02:15:05,030 --> 02:15:03,119
sizzix yeah well that's the way i've

2963
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:05,040
always pronounced yeah i think yeah i've

2964
02:15:10,229 --> 02:15:07,280
always tried to find the correct it's a

2965
02:15:13,030 --> 02:15:10,239
very famous uh exit and area everybody

2966
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:13,040
between los angeles and in las vegas

2967
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:15,440
it's zzyzx

2968
02:15:18,470 --> 02:15:16,480
road

2969
02:15:21,189 --> 02:15:18,480
wait there's more yeah well hold on i

2970
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:21,199
can't wait you know what i've i've

2971
02:15:26,149 --> 02:15:24,400
actually pulled off and driven down to

2972
02:15:28,310 --> 02:15:26,159
the salt flats down there just to check

2973
02:15:31,589 --> 02:15:28,320
it out okay so

2974
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:31,599
what happens we decide we need to take a

2975
02:15:35,750 --> 02:15:33,599
comfort stop

2976
02:15:36,790 --> 02:15:35,760
and it's dark

2977
02:15:39,270 --> 02:15:36,800
okay

2978
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:39,280
and it's getting chilly

2979
02:15:44,149 --> 02:15:42,320
and we pull off there and we only intend

2980
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:44,159
to be there long enough to relieve

2981
02:15:47,189 --> 02:15:45,599
ourselves

2982
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:47,199
and uh

2983
02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:48,480
the sky

2984
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:51,920
jimmy there is spectacular i can imagine

2985
02:15:54,629 --> 02:15:52,800
yes

2986
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:54,639
and um

2987
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:56,159
a jet

2988
02:16:02,229 --> 02:15:57,840
was flying in

2989
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:02,239
from from l.a to vegas over flew us

2990
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:04,400
and we're standing there and we're

2991
02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:07,840
oohing and wowing at the stars

2992
02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:09,840
and all of a sudden

2993
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:12,079
rich says hey

2994
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:14,719
did that star move

2995
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:16,800
and i said what star

2996
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:19,119
and he he pointed up

2997
02:16:23,589 --> 02:16:20,639
and his car

2998
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:23,599
at that time had a an antenna on it for

2999
02:16:28,390 --> 02:16:25,840
the radio

3000
02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:28,400
and i got behind the antenna like a

3001
02:16:31,270 --> 02:16:29,920
rifle sight

3002
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:31,280
okay

3003
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:34,399
and i look and sure as god made little

3004
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:35,760
green apples

3005
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:37,120
that light

3006
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:38,479
was moving

3007
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:39,760
all right

3008
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:43,040
but then it wasn't just that light

3009
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:45,280
there were about six or eight and they

3010
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:46,960
were tiny

3011
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,080
lights

3012
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:50,719
were swirling around and moving

3013
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:53,120
one would fall down like in a fault

3014
02:16:56,790 --> 02:16:54,960
falling leaf motion

3015
02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:56,800
and then shoot back up

3016
02:17:02,389 --> 02:16:57,760
and

3017
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:02,399
you gotta be kidding me

3018
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:06,080
and then a jet another jet came over

3019
02:17:12,389 --> 02:17:10,479
and jimmy those lights froze in place

3020
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:12,399
they froze

3021
02:17:15,910 --> 02:17:14,880
i couldn't believe it until the jet was

3022
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:15,920
passed

3023
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:17,920
and then they started doing that little

3024
02:17:21,429 --> 02:17:20,080
dance again

3025
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:21,439
well

3026
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:24,639
we thought we were only there

3027
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:26,719
10 or 15 minutes

3028
02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:28,880
and i looked at my wrist watch and i

3029
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:30,319
said

3030
02:17:34,150 --> 02:17:32,240
hey dude you ain't gonna believe this

3031
02:17:35,270 --> 02:17:34,160
one he said what

3032
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:35,280
i said

3033
02:17:39,030 --> 02:17:37,920
we've been here almost 50 minutes he

3034
02:17:42,629 --> 02:17:39,040
said no

3035
02:17:45,429 --> 02:17:42,639
and i said look and he looked

3036
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:45,439
time just it it just seemed to skip

3037
02:17:49,509 --> 02:17:47,840
right out so we get back in the car rich

3038
02:17:53,110 --> 02:17:49,519
is driving

3039
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:53,120
now this is the weird part oh it gets

3040
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:54,800
weirder okay

3041
02:17:58,629 --> 02:17:56,399
we get up in the highway

3042
02:18:00,389 --> 02:17:58,639
nothing traveling

3043
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:00,399
it's empty

3044
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:06,230
suddenly

3045
02:18:12,950 --> 02:18:10,399
we're enveloped in a fog

3046
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:12,960
i mean it was so bad

3047
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:15,040
that rich couldn't see three feet in

3048
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:16,639
front of them

3049
02:18:20,549 --> 02:18:18,880
now it was his wife's car okay that we

3050
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,559
were in

3051
02:18:26,230 --> 02:18:22,399
so i wasn't about to drive it man

3052
02:18:28,549 --> 02:18:27,349
so

3053
02:18:29,429 --> 02:18:28,559
and then

3054
02:18:30,309 --> 02:18:29,439
i

3055
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:30,319
just

3056
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,920
faded i passed out

3057
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:35,280
and rich

3058
02:18:42,469 --> 02:18:38,160
and we talked about this on my show he

3059
02:18:45,910 --> 02:18:42,479
grabbed me done done hey don wake up

3060
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:45,920
nothing okay he wanted me to get out

3061
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:48,000
and walk down the side of the road to

3062
02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:49,760
make sure that we didn't run into

3063
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:51,040
anything

3064
02:18:56,870 --> 02:18:53,760
and buddy i was

3065
02:18:59,349 --> 02:18:56,880
gone i had no recollection of this and

3066
02:19:02,070 --> 02:18:59,359
considering all the coffee i had had

3067
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:02,080
that day it was weird

3068
02:19:07,509 --> 02:19:04,000
so finally

3069
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:07,519
he got out of the fog when he did

3070
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:09,679
i woke right up

3071
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:12,080
i was wide awake

3072
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:13,359
and uh

3073
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:15,599
he told me about that and i said oh man

3074
02:19:19,190 --> 02:19:17,359
i might have dozed off for a minute he

3075
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:19,200
said man i'm telling you

3076
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:21,599
you were gone

3077
02:19:27,349 --> 02:19:25,679
so we never figured that out we get home

3078
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:27,359
and uh

3079
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:29,200
i thought well that that'll be it i

3080
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,960
showed the pictures to vicky and she

3081
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:33,040
said yeah there's nothing here i said

3082
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:35,120
yeah i know and then i told her that

3083
02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:36,880
story and she just kind of shrugged it

3084
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:38,719
off what are you gonna do with it but it

3085
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:41,200
was very very strange

3086
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:43,359
it was like somebody somebody put a

3087
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:44,800
finger on me

3088
02:19:47,750 --> 02:19:46,960
and said you're gone and that that was

3089
02:19:49,110 --> 02:19:47,760
it

3090
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:49,120
now the

3091
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:50,479
um

3092
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:57,359
gonna talk more about this as we move on

3093
02:20:02,230 --> 02:19:59,040
but is

3094
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:02,240
uh i think a little taken aback today

3095
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:03,760
about these

3096
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:05,920
these peaks and valleys and these ebbs

3097
02:20:11,030 --> 02:20:08,160
and flows that we've been going through

3098
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:11,040
uh the last four five six years

3099
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:13,520
uh with with information

3100
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:16,720
but i have done my best don

3101
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:19,280
to remind everybody

3102
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:21,760
that we have gone through this many

3103
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:24,240
times before and we're just going to

3104
02:20:28,150 --> 02:20:26,080
continue to move forward and try to get

3105
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:28,160
the answers that we seek

3106
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:30,640
and i remind them

3107
02:20:35,590 --> 02:20:31,840
of

3108
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:35,600
uh uh bill moore at mufon in vegas right

3109
02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:37,359
in 89 or

3110
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:40,000
the mj 12 documents i brought up jamie

3111
02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:42,240
chanderay so many times on this show i

3112
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:46,240
can't tell you about the excitement and

3113
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:49,439
the things that this community has gone

3114
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:51,200
through in the past where

3115
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:52,399
this is it

3116
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:55,439
this is finally it and we've done all of

3117
02:20:59,349 --> 02:20:57,520
this before haven't we

3118
02:21:01,510 --> 02:20:59,359
oh yeah many times

3119
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:01,520
many times you know

3120
02:21:10,950 --> 02:21:07,349
didn't meet him face to face but i had a

3121
02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:10,960
number of phone conversations

3122
02:21:13,429 --> 02:21:12,319
with them

3123
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:13,439
now

3124
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:19,429
if you're honest with me

3125
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:22,000
you will be honest in the fact that don

3126
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,479
ecker has a reputation doesn't he

3127
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:26,720
that's right

3128
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:29,040
kind of a hard ass reputation yeah i

3129
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:32,160
would say that that is true sir

3130
02:21:36,030 --> 02:21:33,760
okay

3131
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:36,040
i i did

3132
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:37,760
everything

3133
02:21:43,750 --> 02:21:42,479
in my power to bring luis elizondo on my

3134
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:43,760
show

3135
02:21:47,750 --> 02:21:46,160
now i i've had a number of conversations

3136
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:47,760
with them

3137
02:21:52,309 --> 02:21:50,160
and the only way to say it is the guy's

3138
02:21:53,510 --> 02:21:52,319
been avoiding me

3139
02:21:55,270 --> 02:21:53,520
now

3140
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:55,280
a lot of people that have

3141
02:22:03,830 --> 02:21:56,560
interviewed

3142
02:22:06,550 --> 02:22:03,840
softball sure

3143
02:22:07,349 --> 02:22:06,560
okay yes that's not my style i want to

3144
02:22:14,710 --> 02:22:07,359
know

3145
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:14,720
about now

3146
02:22:20,309 --> 02:22:16,560
i had a top security clearance with the

3147
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:20,319
crypto access when i was in the army

3148
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:22,560
and i know that there are things that

3149
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:25,040
you simply cannot

3150
02:22:28,070 --> 02:22:27,120
discuss no matter how many years it's

3151
02:22:30,950 --> 02:22:28,080
been

3152
02:22:34,830 --> 02:22:30,960
okay if you signed the documents

3153
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:34,840
and lou was in one of those positions

3154
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:36,560
but

3155
02:22:42,469 --> 02:22:40,399
lou also with chris mellon

3156
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:42,479
and with uh

3157
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:44,479
well tom delong but he doesn't really

3158
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:45,600
count

3159
02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:48,399
okay the guy from the skunk works

3160
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:51,280
and hal put off all right

3161
02:22:55,429 --> 02:22:54,479
all have intelligence backgrounds

3162
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:55,439
okay

3163
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:57,600
they did that television show

3164
02:23:02,070 --> 02:22:59,439
unidentified

3165
02:23:05,349 --> 02:23:02,080
okay couple of seasons

3166
02:23:07,270 --> 02:23:05,359
and in every and i've got those

3167
02:23:09,270 --> 02:23:07,280
i i t vote them

3168
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:09,280
i got every one of them

3169
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:11,680
and i periodically go back and review

3170
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:12,479
them

3171
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:15,200
and i put on my military hat and i put

3172
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:16,960
on my cop hat

3173
02:23:21,750 --> 02:23:20,160
and i i watched them with a jaundice

3174
02:23:24,469 --> 02:23:21,760
skeptical eye

3175
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:24,479
and you know the one continuing drumbeat

3176
02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:27,200
with every one of those shows

3177
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:28,240
was

3178
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:31,040
an implied threat

3179
02:23:34,469 --> 02:23:33,280
by these objects

3180
02:23:37,030 --> 02:23:34,479
yes okay

3181
02:23:38,870 --> 02:23:37,040
an implied threat

3182
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:38,880
now

3183
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:45,439
intelligence works

3184
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:48,720
i know some things about how

3185
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:50,640
things are done

3186
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:54,399
to get the public behind something

3187
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:55,680
uh

3188
02:24:01,510 --> 02:23:58,080
basically what it turns out to be a lot

3189
02:24:02,710 --> 02:24:01,520
a lot of the time times propaganda

3190
02:24:05,270 --> 02:24:02,720
so

3191
02:24:08,230 --> 02:24:05,280
i came to the conclusion

3192
02:24:09,670 --> 02:24:08,240
that these guys in that series

3193
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:09,680
unidentified

3194
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:12,720
and to a much lesser extent today

3195
02:24:20,469 --> 02:24:14,479
as freelance

3196
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:23,030
they either

3197
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:25,760
know something

3198
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:27,439
that

3199
02:24:33,590 --> 02:24:30,160
this was a long-term project maybe not

3200
02:24:35,110 --> 02:24:33,600
so long term to prepare the public for

3201
02:24:37,510 --> 02:24:35,120
something

3202
02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:37,520
that they suspected was coming down the

3203
02:24:43,469 --> 02:24:40,319
highway or

3204
02:24:45,750 --> 02:24:43,479
this is the biggest dog and pony

3205
02:24:46,950 --> 02:24:45,760
disinformation show

3206
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:46,960
okay

3207
02:24:53,110 --> 02:24:50,240
since the fake norm d invasion

3208
02:24:56,630 --> 02:24:53,120
all right the de paul de calais

3209
02:24:59,510 --> 02:24:56,640
all right to confuse the germans there's

3210
02:25:00,710 --> 02:24:59,520
something one or the other okay one or

3211
02:25:01,830 --> 02:25:00,720
the other

3212
02:25:04,389 --> 02:25:01,840
and uh

3213
02:25:06,790 --> 02:25:04,399
i tried to get elizondo on

3214
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:06,800
and i think he's been intentionally

3215
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:09,040
avoiding me

3216
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:10,960
because he knows i won't throw him

3217
02:25:19,590 --> 02:25:16,950
i i think that um

3218
02:25:21,349 --> 02:25:19,600
it's a very uh uh interesting point that

3219
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:21,359
you bring up and

3220
02:25:26,950 --> 02:25:23,840
uh i have i have voiced the same

3221
02:25:28,630 --> 02:25:26,960
concerns uh with lou over the years and

3222
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:28,640
he has certainly

3223
02:25:32,469 --> 02:25:31,439
heard those things from me

3224
02:25:34,070 --> 02:25:32,479
um

3225
02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:34,080
since then

3226
02:25:38,790 --> 02:25:35,760
uh we have

3227
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:38,800
agreed to disagree but he's been on the

3228
02:25:42,230 --> 02:25:41,040
show i don't know how many dozens of

3229
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:42,240
times

3230
02:25:48,150 --> 02:25:44,640
and i just produced a movie

3231
02:25:50,150 --> 02:25:48,160
um and with with him in it

3232
02:25:52,070 --> 02:25:50,160
and

3233
02:25:53,670 --> 02:25:52,080
i

3234
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:53,680
have chosen

3235
02:25:58,550 --> 02:25:56,640
to push as hard as i can

3236
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:58,560
it's up to him to answer the questions

3237
02:26:02,870 --> 02:26:00,720
right i can only take it as far just

3238
02:26:04,309 --> 02:26:02,880
like you're saying right

3239
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,319
and i think that

3240
02:26:08,469 --> 02:26:06,880
others out there that interview lou back

3241
02:26:11,429 --> 02:26:08,479
to your point

3242
02:26:13,429 --> 02:26:11,439
um are a little intimidated by lou

3243
02:26:15,030 --> 02:26:13,439
because of the celebrity stature that

3244
02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:15,040
he's in right now

3245
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:17,520
and choose to throw the softballs

3246
02:26:23,190 --> 02:26:20,640
because they don't want to offend him

3247
02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:23,200
well that's the wrong approach

3248
02:26:27,830 --> 02:26:25,600
you need to go absolutely direct if he

3249
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:27,840
can't answer he can't answer but you

3250
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:30,560
have to take the position of and of of

3251
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:33,520
asking the questions and i agree uh he

3252
02:26:37,990 --> 02:26:35,760
would be a great guest for you

3253
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:38,000
uh but you may not get the answers that

3254
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:39,439
you're looking for

3255
02:26:43,910 --> 02:26:41,600
but he would be a great guest because

3256
02:26:46,950 --> 02:26:43,920
that has always been your approach

3257
02:26:50,710 --> 02:26:46,960
it always has been um i used to go back

3258
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:50,720
and listen to programs of yours

3259
02:26:53,429 --> 02:26:52,479
and and learning

3260
02:26:54,309 --> 02:26:53,439
where

3261
02:26:55,510 --> 02:26:54,319
you

3262
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:55,520
uh

3263
02:26:57,990 --> 02:26:57,120
i think that there was a certain amount

3264
02:27:00,150 --> 02:26:58,000
of

3265
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:00,160
uh what's the word i want to use anger's

3266
02:27:04,550 --> 02:27:03,280
not the right word but you were driven

3267
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:04,560
by

3268
02:27:07,750 --> 02:27:05,600
uh

3269
02:27:10,389 --> 02:27:07,760
[Music]

3270
02:27:13,030 --> 02:27:10,399
an absolute quest for the truth right

3271
02:27:15,830 --> 02:27:13,040
and you were absolutely

3272
02:27:18,870 --> 02:27:15,840
focused on that and i learned a lot from

3273
02:27:20,790 --> 02:27:18,880
that so yeah i agree i think uh lou

3274
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:20,800
would be a great guest and and i think

3275
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:23,040
that the two of you actually

3276
02:27:26,870 --> 02:27:24,160
uh

3277
02:27:29,190 --> 02:27:26,880
would would get along believe it or not

3278
02:27:31,670 --> 02:27:29,200
i think it would be a good show

3279
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:31,680
well i uh i i

3280
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:33,040
basically

3281
02:27:36,630 --> 02:27:34,479
you know through

3282
02:27:38,150 --> 02:27:36,640
tracy tormey

3283
02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:38,160
uh

3284
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:39,600
tracy

3285
02:27:44,630 --> 02:27:40,560
uh

3286
02:27:47,110 --> 02:27:44,640
has had apparently a closer

3287
02:27:48,950 --> 02:27:47,120
uh friendship with him they've been in

3288
02:27:51,270 --> 02:27:48,960
touch quite a bit

3289
02:27:52,389 --> 02:27:51,280
and uh

3290
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:52,399
so i

3291
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:54,399
i matter of fact i still have lou's

3292
02:27:57,349 --> 02:27:56,319
phone number right now i haven't called

3293
02:28:00,550 --> 02:27:57,359
him

3294
02:28:01,590 --> 02:28:00,560
uh in in months because

3295
02:28:05,110 --> 02:28:01,600
you know

3296
02:28:06,870 --> 02:28:05,120
you can only he he had i had in full

3297
02:28:07,910 --> 02:28:06,880
disclosure i called him a couple of

3298
02:28:11,110 --> 02:28:07,920
times

3299
02:28:14,150 --> 02:28:11,120
yeah i had some concerns on my mind

3300
02:28:15,910 --> 02:28:14,160
and he answered and he said oh

3301
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:15,920
i can't talk right now in the middle of

3302
02:28:19,110 --> 02:28:17,680
something i'll give you a call this

3303
02:28:21,190 --> 02:28:19,120
weekend and that happened on three

3304
02:28:23,110 --> 02:28:21,200
occasions and he never called

3305
02:28:25,510 --> 02:28:23,120
so you can only be

3306
02:28:26,630 --> 02:28:25,520
brushed off at the door so many times

3307
02:28:28,710 --> 02:28:26,640
and then

3308
02:28:30,150 --> 02:28:28,720
you just get the opinion well

3309
02:28:31,510 --> 02:28:30,160
it doesn't look like this is gonna

3310
02:28:33,349 --> 02:28:31,520
happen

3311
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:33,359
so right right

3312
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:34,240
um

3313
02:28:40,389 --> 02:28:36,880
well here's the thing

3314
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:40,399
when we look at the movement that is

3315
02:28:44,630 --> 02:28:42,399
happening with we'll talk more about

3316
02:28:46,309 --> 02:28:44,640
this after the break of course but uh

3317
02:28:47,990 --> 02:28:46,319
with the senate intelligence committee

3318
02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:48,000
with the department of defense with the

3319
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:48,960
navy

3320
02:28:54,070 --> 02:28:50,640
and these conversations that are

3321
02:28:56,230 --> 02:28:54,080
happening right now in washington dc

3322
02:28:59,830 --> 02:28:56,240
with your background

3323
02:29:01,830 --> 02:28:59,840
uh you've given me two questions right

3324
02:29:05,110 --> 02:29:01,840
about what may be going on

3325
02:29:07,110 --> 02:29:05,120
but with that i have to ask why

3326
02:29:10,710 --> 02:29:07,120
in either scenario

3327
02:29:12,630 --> 02:29:10,720
something's coming down the pike coming

3328
02:29:14,950 --> 02:29:12,640
down the highway and they need to get

3329
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:14,960
out in front of this well why

3330
02:29:19,990 --> 02:29:17,760
why well you know over the years

3331
02:29:23,670 --> 02:29:20,000
and i'm sure i'm not saying anything to

3332
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:23,680
you that you don't know

3333
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:27,120
i have been told

3334
02:29:32,710 --> 02:29:30,560
off and on for 30 years

3335
02:29:34,830 --> 02:29:32,720
that there are

3336
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:34,840
six or seven groups of

3337
02:29:39,590 --> 02:29:37,680
extraterrestrials that are dropping by

3338
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:39,600
now

3339
02:29:45,590 --> 02:29:42,240
what in the hell does that mean okay are

3340
02:29:46,630 --> 02:29:45,600
we just off the interstellar highway

3341
02:29:47,990 --> 02:29:46,640
okay

3342
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:48,000
do we got the

3343
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:51,280
local 711 here that they drop by

3344
02:29:56,070 --> 02:29:53,040
to use what

3345
02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:56,080
and i have no way of knowing but

3346
02:30:01,590 --> 02:29:58,160
i've talked to some people

3347
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:01,600
over the years some people that

3348
02:30:04,710 --> 02:30:03,439
let's just say we're in a position to

3349
02:30:07,750 --> 02:30:04,720
know

3350
02:30:08,870 --> 02:30:07,760
that uh have told me confidentially well

3351
02:30:11,429 --> 02:30:08,880
you know

3352
02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:11,439
our best guess is

3353
02:30:17,190 --> 02:30:13,680
that there are a couple of groups

3354
02:30:18,710 --> 02:30:17,200
that come by that are totally benign

3355
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:18,720
they're they're just

3356
02:30:23,190 --> 02:30:19,840
you know

3357
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:23,200
and then there's a group or so

3358
02:30:28,550 --> 02:30:26,399
that are quote unquote

3359
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:28,560
our buddies

3360
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:29,600
okay

3361
02:30:34,630 --> 02:30:32,399
and then there's one or two that just

3362
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:34,640
quite frankly don't care one way or the

3363
02:30:37,190 --> 02:30:36,000
other

3364
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:37,200
but

3365
02:30:41,750 --> 02:30:39,760
there is one group

3366
02:30:44,630 --> 02:30:41,760
that have

3367
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:44,640
an enmity and a loathing

3368
02:30:49,750 --> 02:30:47,520
for the human race

3369
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:49,760
and i said oh really

3370
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:52,399
now this apparently

3371
02:30:57,990 --> 02:30:55,840
is the group that ingo swann

3372
02:30:59,590 --> 02:30:58,000
was referring to

3373
02:31:02,870 --> 02:30:59,600
that had

3374
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:02,880
quite a a bone to pick with us because

3375
02:31:06,710 --> 02:31:05,040
of our side talent

3376
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:06,720
apparently

3377
02:31:11,190 --> 02:31:08,960
according to swan they were very

3378
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:11,200
psychically gifted

3379
02:31:18,230 --> 02:31:14,640
and they saw this as a potential

3380
02:31:19,190 --> 02:31:18,240
adversarial relationship

3381
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:19,200
now

3382
02:31:23,190 --> 02:31:20,640
once again

3383
02:31:25,510 --> 02:31:23,200
jimmy this is speculation on my part i

3384
02:31:26,469 --> 02:31:25,520
don't know

3385
02:31:28,630 --> 02:31:26,479
but

3386
02:31:33,190 --> 02:31:28,640
if you're asking me does it make sense

3387
02:31:38,710 --> 02:31:35,590
but i can believe

3388
02:31:39,510 --> 02:31:38,720
i can believe that there is a group

3389
02:31:41,510 --> 02:31:39,520
that

3390
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:41,520
does not have a high regard for the

3391
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:44,160
human species

3392
02:31:48,950 --> 02:31:45,840
back in

3393
02:31:51,270 --> 02:31:48,960
90 i think it was 91

3394
02:31:53,590 --> 02:31:51,280
or 92.

3395
02:31:57,750 --> 02:31:53,600
i did an article on

3396
02:32:01,070 --> 02:31:57,760
and it was a whole slew of cases

3397
02:32:04,469 --> 02:32:01,080
where people were either

3398
02:32:07,990 --> 02:32:04,479
extraordinarily injured or harmed

3399
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:08,000
or even killed in encounters

3400
02:32:11,270 --> 02:32:08,960
with

3401
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:11,280
unidentified flying objects

3402
02:32:15,349 --> 02:32:12,880
and i'm not just talking about in the

3403
02:32:18,469 --> 02:32:15,359
sky and talking about on the ground

3404
02:32:22,230 --> 02:32:18,479
so who's who's to say i don't know

3405
02:32:23,270 --> 02:32:22,240
now what uh is that enough though

3406
02:32:26,309 --> 02:32:23,280
to

3407
02:32:29,349 --> 02:32:26,319
uh institute this this constant threat

3408
02:32:32,469 --> 02:32:29,359
narrative or is the threat narrative

3409
02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:32,479
what is needed to get the attention

3410
02:32:36,469 --> 02:32:35,439
of washington dc and the pentagon to get

3411
02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:36,479
them

3412
02:32:40,389 --> 02:32:39,200
uh not only interested in this but

3413
02:32:41,590 --> 02:32:40,399
certainly

3414
02:32:43,990 --> 02:32:41,600
uh

3415
02:32:46,070 --> 02:32:44,000
a way for funding and and to move

3416
02:32:47,910 --> 02:32:46,080
forward because if they're kind and

3417
02:32:49,110 --> 02:32:47,920
peace-loving and it's unicorns and

3418
02:32:50,389 --> 02:32:49,120
flowers

3419
02:32:53,670 --> 02:32:50,399
then that's not going to get the

3420
02:32:54,630 --> 02:32:53,680
interest of of the government is is well

3421
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:54,640
you know

3422
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:55,680
look

3423
02:33:01,990 --> 02:32:59,040
there's something else there's another

3424
02:33:04,230 --> 02:33:02,000
little aspect that i haven't mentioned

3425
02:33:07,349 --> 02:33:04,240
i'm going to mention it now

3426
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:07,359
a few years ago

3427
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:10,560
uh nick redfearn is the one that brought

3428
02:33:13,110 --> 02:33:11,920
it up

3429
02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:13,120
uh

3430
02:33:19,429 --> 02:33:16,560
did my attention my it got my attention

3431
02:33:22,070 --> 02:33:19,439
that there is a group

3432
02:33:24,389 --> 02:33:22,080
within the pentagon

3433
02:33:26,950 --> 02:33:24,399
that are known by the moniker the

3434
02:33:29,830 --> 02:33:26,960
columns elite are you familiar with that

3435
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:29,840
i have heard it mentioned yes

3436
02:33:34,510 --> 02:33:31,200
okay

3437
02:33:37,750 --> 02:33:34,520
these are apparently

3438
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:37,760
extremely devout christians

3439
02:33:41,990 --> 02:33:39,600
in the military

3440
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:42,000
and they see

3441
02:33:47,270 --> 02:33:44,880
the ufo phenomena

3442
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:47,280
as a demonic

3443
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:48,640
demonic

3444
02:33:53,750 --> 02:33:51,680
okay from hell from the devil

3445
02:33:55,510 --> 02:33:53,760
a demonic

3446
02:33:58,469 --> 02:33:55,520
aberration

3447
02:34:00,830 --> 02:33:58,479
and we should have nothing to do with it

3448
02:34:04,389 --> 02:34:00,840
now elizondo told me

3449
02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:04,399
that when he was involved with the the

3450
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:07,520
apec the atip program

3451
02:34:13,030 --> 02:34:09,840
that he spoke and he said if i told you

3452
02:34:14,389 --> 02:34:13,040
the guy's name you'd recognize him

3453
02:34:16,469 --> 02:34:14,399
and i said

3454
02:34:17,990 --> 02:34:16,479
okay well i'm not going to ask

3455
02:34:22,550 --> 02:34:18,000
he said

3456
02:34:24,389 --> 02:34:22,560
but this was a high level high ranking

3457
02:34:26,710 --> 02:34:24,399
military officer

3458
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,720
that told me that i should not fiddle

3459
02:34:33,429 --> 02:34:28,640
with this because

3460
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:33,439
it is a demonic deception

3461
02:34:37,510 --> 02:34:35,280
and

3462
02:34:42,870 --> 02:34:37,520
that hit me wrong

3463
02:34:46,309 --> 02:34:42,880
i couldn't believe that somebody

3464
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:46,319
in the military at the high rank

3465
02:34:52,630 --> 02:34:50,160
that this person allegedly was

3466
02:34:56,710 --> 02:34:52,640
have a

3467
02:34:59,030 --> 02:34:56,720
unknown phenomenon that you just simply

3468
02:35:01,190 --> 02:34:59,040
wouldn't explore

3469
02:35:04,230 --> 02:35:01,200
because you were afraid it might be

3470
02:35:05,190 --> 02:35:04,240
connected to the devil to me

3471
02:35:07,510 --> 02:35:05,200
okay

3472
02:35:10,630 --> 02:35:07,520
that's not what what an intelligence

3473
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:10,640
officer or a military officer does they

3474
02:35:15,750 --> 02:35:12,960
follow it to the logical conclusion what

3475
02:35:18,550 --> 02:35:15,760
did they do they they swore an oath

3476
02:35:20,950 --> 02:35:18,560
to the constitution of the united states

3477
02:35:22,630 --> 02:35:20,960
to protect and defend up to and

3478
02:35:25,590 --> 02:35:22,640
including their life

3479
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:25,600
if the constitution or our nation is in

3480
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:32,150
so you know i

3481
02:35:36,550 --> 02:35:34,720
there just something there was wrong as

3482
02:35:38,389 --> 02:35:36,560
far as i was concerned

3483
02:35:40,309 --> 02:35:38,399
now let's uh let's take our break right

3484
02:35:43,990 --> 02:35:40,319
here and what is interesting about that

3485
02:35:45,830 --> 02:35:44,000
don is uh tom delong on this program

3486
02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:45,840
uh

3487
02:35:49,030 --> 02:35:47,680
told the same story

3488
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,040
and said that

3489
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:51,520
there are those concerned in the

3490
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:52,960
pentagon

3491
02:35:58,950 --> 02:35:56,000
that we are making contact with stuff

3492
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:58,960
that we do not know

3493
02:36:03,349 --> 02:36:00,960
what the result will be

3494
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:03,359
and we need to be very very careful and

3495
02:36:06,389 --> 02:36:05,600
that there was a religious component to

3496
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:06,399
this

3497
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:08,800
and uh just like you i was shocked and i

3498
02:36:14,550 --> 02:36:11,359
think uh that was one of the most quoted

3499
02:36:15,750 --> 02:36:14,560
uh portions of the interview with uh

3500
02:36:18,070 --> 02:36:15,760
with tom

3501
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:18,080
was that religious aspect to the ufo

3502
02:36:21,270 --> 02:36:19,760
phenomenon this is fade to black i'm

3503
02:36:23,429 --> 02:36:21,280
here with jimmy church we're going to

3504
02:36:27,230 --> 02:36:23,439
head into overtime with don ecker

3505
02:36:52,550 --> 02:36:27,240
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3506
02:36:56,230 --> 02:36:54,630
you're listening to jimmy church and

3507
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:56,240
fade to black

3508
02:37:06,389 --> 02:37:03,510
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3509
02:37:10,710 --> 02:37:06,399
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3510
02:37:17,590 --> 02:37:13,270
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3511
02:37:21,270 --> 02:37:19,780
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3512
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3599
02:41:36,070 --> 02:41:34,230
welcome back paint to black i'm your

3600
02:41:37,110 --> 02:41:36,080
host jimmy church tonight don ecker is

3601
02:41:39,269 --> 02:41:37,120
with us

3602
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:39,279
heading into overtime tonight and and

3603
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:40,800
thank you don for

3604
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:43,520
for hanging out with us uh i'm just not

3605
02:41:46,870 --> 02:41:44,560
ready to

3606
02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:46,880
to let this conversation end

3607
02:41:50,150 --> 02:41:48,479
time and a half right yeah time and a

3608
02:41:53,750 --> 02:41:50,160
half time it checks in the mail checks

3609
02:41:56,150 --> 02:41:53,760
in the mail i promise the uh

3610
02:42:00,150 --> 02:41:56,160
you you brought up dd214s

3611
02:42:01,990 --> 02:42:00,160
uh earlier and and here we have you know

3612
02:42:04,630 --> 02:42:02,000
somebody's background always needs to be

3613
02:42:06,870 --> 02:42:04,640
vetted and checked and i just want to

3614
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:06,880
make this comment really brief before we

3615
02:42:11,349 --> 02:42:08,640
move on um

3616
02:42:13,910 --> 02:42:11,359
when we have somebody like lou and and

3617
02:42:16,870 --> 02:42:13,920
chris mellon come along who's

3618
02:42:18,870 --> 02:42:16,880
whose background uh is is very public

3619
02:42:19,750 --> 02:42:18,880
and can be checked and vetted

3620
02:42:22,230 --> 02:42:19,760
um

3621
02:42:23,510 --> 02:42:22,240
this is pretty much a first for the ufo

3622
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:23,520
community

3623
02:42:29,750 --> 02:42:24,960
and

3624
02:42:31,910 --> 02:42:29,760
say that we need to ride this out

3625
02:42:34,230 --> 02:42:31,920
history we'll be able to look back and

3626
02:42:36,389 --> 02:42:34,240
and and see what what is actually going

3627
02:42:37,269 --> 02:42:36,399
on here but there's another part to this

3628
02:42:39,269 --> 02:42:37,279
for me

3629
02:42:40,710 --> 02:42:39,279
and that's avi loeb

3630
02:42:43,190 --> 02:42:40,720
because

3631
02:42:45,510 --> 02:42:43,200
somebody else you know here he is uh a

3632
02:42:46,469 --> 02:42:45,520
physicist from harvard

3633
02:42:48,389 --> 02:42:46,479
um

3634
02:42:50,070 --> 02:42:48,399
has has

3635
02:42:52,870 --> 02:42:50,080
you know published this book uh

3636
02:42:55,190 --> 02:42:52,880
extraterrestrial about omua

3637
02:42:56,070 --> 02:42:55,200
and his approach

3638
02:42:57,510 --> 02:42:56,080
to

3639
02:42:58,389 --> 02:42:57,520
this being

3640
02:43:05,030 --> 02:42:58,399
uh

3641
02:43:07,910 --> 02:43:05,040
first visitor and this that this wasn't

3642
02:43:08,790 --> 02:43:07,920
uh a natural object or a rock or or what

3643
02:43:12,550 --> 02:43:08,800
have you

3644
02:43:15,349 --> 02:43:12,560
and and that pedigree of avi

3645
02:43:18,389 --> 02:43:15,359
is right there this is this is harvard

3646
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:18,399
and he's now started the galileo project

3647
02:43:22,070 --> 02:43:20,160
so now we have

3648
02:43:24,070 --> 02:43:22,080
multiple things happening at the same

3649
02:43:27,269 --> 02:43:24,080
time don where we've got

3650
02:43:29,110 --> 02:43:27,279
uh chris mellon we've got lou elizondo

3651
02:43:32,469 --> 02:43:29,120
and and their background and we've got

3652
02:43:36,070 --> 02:43:32,479
avi loeb at the same time

3653
02:43:38,070 --> 02:43:36,080
uh approaching this too as well

3654
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:38,080
what do you make of that

3655
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:40,560
and that finally the ufo community has

3656
02:43:44,230 --> 02:43:42,319
got the support that it's never had

3657
02:43:45,429 --> 02:43:44,240
before

3658
02:43:48,630 --> 02:43:45,439
well

3659
02:43:50,950 --> 02:43:48,640
okay you make an excellent point

3660
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:50,960
uh as a matter of fact

3661
02:43:57,750 --> 02:43:54,160
not too awfully long ago

3662
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:57,760
i made the point of saying that

3663
02:44:02,550 --> 02:43:59,520
i i broke

3664
02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:04,870
absolutely huge

3665
02:44:09,510 --> 02:44:06,399
stories

3666
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:09,520
in the ufo field back in 91

3667
02:44:17,269 --> 02:44:13,840
and then another one in 92.

3668
02:44:19,349 --> 02:44:17,279
the one i broke in in november of 91

3669
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:19,359
involved

3670
02:44:21,349 --> 02:44:20,560
the

3671
02:44:26,870 --> 02:44:21,359
so

3672
02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:26,880
union had sent

3673
02:44:31,349 --> 02:44:28,880
two mars probes

3674
02:44:33,830 --> 02:44:31,359
to mars phobos one

3675
02:44:36,150 --> 02:44:33,840
and phobos two

3676
02:44:38,950 --> 02:44:36,160
and at the time

3677
02:44:40,870 --> 02:44:38,960
nobody on in the west

3678
02:44:42,870 --> 02:44:40,880
was aware

3679
02:44:44,469 --> 02:44:42,880
how tightly

3680
02:44:48,150 --> 02:44:44,479
nasa

3681
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,160
was tied into that program

3682
02:44:53,590 --> 02:44:51,040
that came out later

3683
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:53,600
as a matter of fact uh after the iron

3684
02:44:57,510 --> 02:44:56,080
curtain phil

3685
02:44:59,510 --> 02:44:57,520
i met

3686
02:45:01,670 --> 02:44:59,520
and as a matter of fact got her her

3687
02:45:03,590 --> 02:45:01,680
first gig

3688
02:45:06,790 --> 02:45:03,600
on television

3689
02:45:10,550 --> 02:45:06,800
dr marina popovich

3690
02:45:13,110 --> 02:45:10,560
now a lot of people may not today know

3691
02:45:16,230 --> 02:45:13,120
who marina was

3692
02:45:18,870 --> 02:45:16,240
uh originally she was married to general

3693
02:45:22,469 --> 02:45:18,880
pavel popovich

3694
02:45:26,070 --> 02:45:22,479
the first human being and russian

3695
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:26,080
who back in 61 62

3696
02:45:30,790 --> 02:45:28,960
rendezvoused and hooked up with another

3697
02:45:33,269 --> 02:45:30,800
spacecraft

3698
02:45:37,590 --> 02:45:33,279
in their space program

3699
02:45:40,950 --> 02:45:37,600
she had trained as a cosmonaut but

3700
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:40,960
she has been described as the

3701
02:45:45,830 --> 02:45:43,200
russian female

3702
02:45:48,469 --> 02:45:45,840
chuck yeager

3703
02:45:52,630 --> 02:45:50,710
as much as it pains me to say

3704
02:45:55,830 --> 02:45:52,640
probably a lot of people today don't

3705
02:45:57,110 --> 02:45:55,840
know who chuck yeager was

3706
02:46:00,230 --> 02:45:57,120
yeager

3707
02:46:01,429 --> 02:46:00,240
was the guy who first broke the sound

3708
02:46:03,670 --> 02:46:01,439
barrier

3709
02:46:06,790 --> 02:46:03,680
in his rocket plane the glamorous

3710
02:46:09,190 --> 02:46:06,800
glennis back in 47.

3711
02:46:11,590 --> 02:46:09,200
first man first human being to fly

3712
02:46:14,150 --> 02:46:11,600
faster than the speed of sin

3713
02:46:15,910 --> 02:46:14,160
and marina had

3714
02:46:17,830 --> 02:46:15,920
dozens if not

3715
02:46:21,590 --> 02:46:17,840
tens of dozens

3716
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:21,600
of aviation records that she had cracked

3717
02:46:26,630 --> 02:46:23,600
now i met her

3718
02:46:27,590 --> 02:46:26,640
when she came to the united states

3719
02:46:36,150 --> 02:46:27,600
in

3720
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:36,160
arizona

3721
02:46:44,630 --> 02:46:41,920
and uh

3722
02:46:47,510 --> 02:46:44,640
at the time she spoke

3723
02:46:49,110 --> 02:46:47,520
very limited limited english very

3724
02:46:50,950 --> 02:46:49,120
limited

3725
02:46:53,349 --> 02:46:50,960
but uh

3726
02:46:55,269 --> 02:46:53,359
there was uh uh obviously there was a

3727
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,279
translator down there

3728
02:46:58,870 --> 02:46:57,680
and i was able to interview her over two

3729
02:47:02,309 --> 02:46:58,880
days

3730
02:47:04,469 --> 02:47:02,319
and when i mentioned the phobos one

3731
02:47:07,030 --> 02:47:04,479
and phobos ii

3732
02:47:08,070 --> 02:47:07,040
probes to her she about

3733
02:47:11,510 --> 02:47:08,080
had a

3734
02:47:13,670 --> 02:47:11,520
idea

3735
02:47:15,030 --> 02:47:13,680
that anybody in the west knew about

3736
02:47:17,110 --> 02:47:15,040
those now

3737
02:47:19,349 --> 02:47:17,120
almost one both these probes were going

3738
02:47:22,550 --> 02:47:19,359
to mars

3739
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:22,560
and the first probe phobos one

3740
02:47:28,389 --> 02:47:26,160
basically the russians lost it roughly a

3741
02:47:30,790 --> 02:47:28,399
month after launch

3742
02:47:32,230 --> 02:47:30,800
and they blamed that on a combination of

3743
02:47:35,030 --> 02:47:32,240
computer error

3744
02:47:38,150 --> 02:47:35,040
and human operator error

3745
02:47:39,910 --> 02:47:38,160
it just went away it's gone

3746
02:47:41,590 --> 02:47:39,920
but phobos two

3747
02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:41,600
got there

3748
02:47:45,110 --> 02:47:42,640
okay

3749
02:47:47,349 --> 02:47:45,120
and when it did

3750
02:47:49,190 --> 02:47:47,359
it went into orbit

3751
02:47:51,429 --> 02:47:49,200
around mars

3752
02:47:54,150 --> 02:47:51,439
and there were a number of scientific

3753
02:47:58,150 --> 02:47:54,160
packages on that craft

3754
02:48:01,190 --> 02:47:58,160
that were both russian and american

3755
02:48:04,710 --> 02:48:01,200
now here was the dirty little secret

3756
02:48:09,269 --> 02:48:04,720
at the time that nobody knew about

3757
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:09,279
nasa and glyph cosmos had been in talks

3758
02:48:17,590 --> 02:48:13,040
about sending a joint american astronaut

3759
02:48:20,150 --> 02:48:17,600
a russian cosmonaut team to mars

3760
02:48:24,230 --> 02:48:20,160
and they were talking about going

3761
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:24,240
around 2015 2014 2015

3762
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:27,279
well obviously that never happened

3763
02:48:33,590 --> 02:48:31,200
but back in 89 88

3764
02:48:37,510 --> 02:48:33,600
that was the thinking

3765
02:48:41,429 --> 02:48:37,520
and on board this craft

3766
02:48:42,830 --> 02:48:41,439
phobos 2 was an extremely powerful

3767
02:48:46,150 --> 02:48:42,840
russian

3768
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:46,160
laser and this laser

3769
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:48,640
the thinking was they were going to use

3770
02:48:55,590 --> 02:48:50,640
this laser

3771
02:48:56,830 --> 02:48:55,600
to fire a series of of blasts on the

3772
02:48:59,910 --> 02:48:56,840
phobos

3773
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:59,920
moon to see what in the heck it was made

3774
02:49:04,550 --> 02:49:01,359
out of because

3775
02:49:06,469 --> 02:49:04,560
the original thinking was we'll land on

3776
02:49:10,389 --> 02:49:06,479
fobos

3777
02:49:13,990 --> 02:49:10,399
and then use phobos as a stepping stone

3778
02:49:16,870 --> 02:49:14,000
to go down to the surface of mars

3779
02:49:20,630 --> 02:49:16,880
but then

3780
02:49:22,150 --> 02:49:20,640
the shoe got thrown in the gears

3781
02:49:24,630 --> 02:49:22,160
an object

3782
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:24,640
appeared

3783
02:49:30,230 --> 02:49:27,200
an object that quite frankly the

3784
02:49:32,870 --> 02:49:30,240
russians couldn't believe their eyes

3785
02:49:35,429 --> 02:49:32,880
it was described as and i'm i'm not

3786
02:49:38,790 --> 02:49:35,439
going to use the kilometer size

3787
02:49:41,670 --> 02:49:38,800
15 and a half miles in length

3788
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:41,680
and a mile in diameter

3789
02:49:46,710 --> 02:49:44,880
and they took a photograph of it

3790
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:46,720
just before

3791
02:49:53,429 --> 02:49:50,640
this object turned toward phobos

3792
02:49:55,030 --> 02:49:53,439
and rammed it

3793
02:49:57,429 --> 02:49:55,040
okay

3794
02:50:00,389 --> 02:49:57,439
destroying it now

3795
02:50:03,030 --> 02:50:00,399
that's not dawn ecker saying that

3796
02:50:05,990 --> 02:50:03,040
that came from glav cosmos

3797
02:50:08,950 --> 02:50:06,000
they said that whatever that thing was

3798
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:08,960
rammed their spacecraft

3799
02:50:13,510 --> 02:50:11,520
now and a little bit more about that

3800
02:50:16,070 --> 02:50:13,520
okay

3801
02:50:18,309 --> 02:50:16,080
this is where i need to jump in

3802
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:18,319
there is

3803
02:50:21,510 --> 02:50:19,920
a photograph

3804
02:50:22,870 --> 02:50:21,520
that was

3805
02:50:23,670 --> 02:50:22,880
right right right

3806
02:50:24,550 --> 02:50:23,680
and

3807
02:50:25,670 --> 02:50:24,560
when

3808
02:50:28,309 --> 02:50:25,680
uh

3809
02:50:30,309 --> 02:50:28,319
when you see this photograph and you

3810
02:50:33,110 --> 02:50:30,319
know this is part of uh

3811
02:50:36,710 --> 02:50:33,120
urban legend and ufo lore

3812
02:50:39,110 --> 02:50:36,720
but the russians happen to capture this

3813
02:50:41,030 --> 02:50:39,120
object and and

3814
02:50:43,429 --> 02:50:41,040
and get an image of it

3815
02:50:45,670 --> 02:50:43,439
when when you saw the image what went

3816
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:45,680
through your mind

3817
02:50:49,349 --> 02:50:47,200
well

3818
02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:49,359
before i tell you that

3819
02:50:54,389 --> 02:50:52,560
let me tell you this okay

3820
02:50:57,349 --> 02:50:54,399
zechariah sitchin do you know who that

3821
02:51:02,389 --> 02:50:57,359
is of course yes of course okay

3822
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:02,399
zach and i were friends since 1989

3823
02:51:08,070 --> 02:51:05,040
when i i was on my first appearance on

3824
02:51:10,150 --> 02:51:08,080
larry king live and it was being hosted

3825
02:51:12,309 --> 02:51:10,160
by pat buchanan

3826
02:51:13,670 --> 02:51:12,319
and curiously enough it dealt with the

3827
02:51:17,110 --> 02:51:13,680
russians

3828
02:51:18,790 --> 02:51:17,120
it dealt with an alleged landing

3829
02:51:22,309 --> 02:51:18,800
of a ufo

3830
02:51:24,389 --> 02:51:22,319
in the city the soviet city of veronica

3831
02:51:25,910 --> 02:51:24,399
okay it made

3832
02:51:28,150 --> 02:51:25,920
international

3833
02:51:33,670 --> 02:51:28,160
news

3834
02:51:35,349 --> 02:51:33,680
they still occasionally you know

3835
02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:35,359
talked about a little news that was

3836
02:51:40,710 --> 02:51:38,080
happening talked about that story

3837
02:51:42,550 --> 02:51:40,720
people like dan rather who any other

3838
02:51:45,269 --> 02:51:42,560
time would have been you know blowing

3839
02:51:47,110 --> 02:51:45,279
snot out his nose laughing

3840
02:51:50,150 --> 02:51:47,120
okay they talked about it seriously

3841
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:50,160
because it came from tas

3842
02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:52,240
it came from the official

3843
02:51:58,309 --> 02:51:54,880
communist party newspaper or news

3844
02:52:00,389 --> 02:51:58,319
service now the russians were not known

3845
02:52:04,309 --> 02:52:00,399
for their sense of humor

3846
02:52:07,910 --> 02:52:04,319
so they were reporting it as they saw it

3847
02:52:09,190 --> 02:52:07,920
now zachariah sitchin had just had a

3848
02:52:11,269 --> 02:52:09,200
book

3849
02:52:13,110 --> 02:52:11,279
in his series called the earth

3850
02:52:15,590 --> 02:52:13,120
chronicles

3851
02:52:18,070 --> 02:52:15,600
one of his books had just been published

3852
02:52:19,349 --> 02:52:18,080
genesis revisited

3853
02:52:23,990 --> 02:52:19,359
and

3854
02:52:25,990 --> 02:52:24,000
the phone he lived in new york

3855
02:52:27,910 --> 02:52:26,000
and uh when he would come out here on

3856
02:52:29,830 --> 02:52:27,920
the west coast we always would get

3857
02:52:34,630 --> 02:52:29,840
together

3858
02:52:36,630 --> 02:52:34,640
and he said don go to page such and such

3859
02:52:41,429 --> 02:52:36,640
you will see

3860
02:52:43,190 --> 02:52:41,439
this photograph of this elliptic shadow

3861
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:43,200
on mars

3862
02:52:46,550 --> 02:52:45,120
so i went to page

3863
02:52:47,750 --> 02:52:46,560
such and such

3864
02:52:50,230 --> 02:52:47,760
opened it up

3865
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:50,240
and whatever that thing was that the

3866
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:52,319
russians photographed

3867
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:54,319
was casting

3868
02:52:59,670 --> 02:52:56,560
a bloody shadow

3869
02:53:00,790 --> 02:52:59,680
on the atmosphere of mars now yes ladies

3870
02:53:03,990 --> 02:53:00,800
and gentlemen

3871
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:04,000
mars does have a bit of an atmosphere

3872
02:53:09,830 --> 02:53:06,479
it's not one that we can breathe but

3873
02:53:12,070 --> 02:53:09,840
it's there right and it was reflected

3874
02:53:14,950 --> 02:53:12,080
and the other thing that sitchin told me

3875
02:53:18,550 --> 02:53:14,960
and he wrote about it in the book

3876
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:18,560
when phobos 2 was orbiting mars it was

3877
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:21,920
photographing and taking readings

3878
02:53:26,870 --> 02:53:24,720
and sitchin said

3879
02:53:28,950 --> 02:53:26,880
when they found

3880
02:53:30,630 --> 02:53:28,960
hot spots

3881
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:30,640
and he said what

3882
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:32,399
hot spots

3883
02:53:40,790 --> 02:53:38,240
know if you talk to any geologist or

3884
02:53:44,230 --> 02:53:40,800
whomever they'll tell you mars is a dead

3885
02:53:45,030 --> 02:53:44,240
planet right right mars is dead

3886
02:53:47,349 --> 02:53:45,040
now

3887
02:53:48,389 --> 02:53:47,359
hot spots could only mean one of two

3888
02:53:50,630 --> 02:53:48,399
things

3889
02:53:53,110 --> 02:53:50,640
that there's volcanism going on under

3890
02:53:54,950 --> 02:53:53,120
the surface and there's no proof of that

3891
02:53:56,950 --> 02:53:54,960
whatsoever

3892
02:53:59,670 --> 02:53:56,960
or

3893
02:54:02,309 --> 02:53:59,680
there's something artificial there

3894
02:54:03,670 --> 02:54:02,319
sitchin was convinced

3895
02:54:06,630 --> 02:54:03,680
that

3896
02:54:08,150 --> 02:54:06,640
ancient space spaces

3897
02:54:11,910 --> 02:54:08,160
had been

3898
02:54:13,750 --> 02:54:11,920
once again put back into action by

3899
02:54:16,389 --> 02:54:13,760
the visitors

3900
02:54:19,750 --> 02:54:16,399
that they were the hot spots

3901
02:54:21,349 --> 02:54:19,760
were actually alien installations

3902
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:21,359
now you're never going to hear anything

3903
02:54:26,469 --> 02:54:24,880
about that from nasa okay never

3904
02:54:28,790 --> 02:54:26,479
but uh

3905
02:54:30,870 --> 02:54:28,800
and maybe it's not true but but he was

3906
02:54:34,469 --> 02:54:30,880
convinced it was

3907
02:54:37,750 --> 02:54:34,479
now that i i broke that story on larry

3908
02:54:39,030 --> 02:54:37,760
king life in november of 91.

3909
02:54:40,550 --> 02:54:39,040
the next

3910
02:54:43,429 --> 02:54:40,560
year in

3911
02:54:44,230 --> 02:54:43,439
june i broke another huge story

3912
02:54:47,349 --> 02:54:44,240
that

3913
02:54:50,389 --> 02:54:47,359
and there's a point to this jimmy

3914
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:50,399
that involved sts-48

3915
02:54:54,870 --> 02:54:53,120
this was a space shuttle mission

3916
02:54:57,750 --> 02:54:54,880
that encountered

3917
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:57,760
some unidentifieds while it was flying

3918
02:55:03,670 --> 02:55:00,960
above australia and new zealand

3919
02:55:05,269 --> 02:55:03,680
and then

3920
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:05,279
something

3921
02:55:08,950 --> 02:55:06,880
appeared

3922
02:55:11,349 --> 02:55:08,960
to fire

3923
02:55:12,990 --> 02:55:11,359
at the unidentifieds

3924
02:55:18,070 --> 02:55:13,000
and they took

3925
02:55:22,710 --> 02:55:21,830
this was was played on king 2.

3926
02:55:26,150 --> 02:55:22,720
now

3927
02:55:29,110 --> 02:55:26,160
at that time vicki and i had a source

3928
02:55:30,950 --> 02:55:29,120
back in dc who wrote

3929
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:30,960
for defense

3930
02:55:34,790 --> 02:55:33,359
uh publications

3931
02:55:37,349 --> 02:55:34,800
the guy had

3932
02:55:39,750 --> 02:55:37,359
an intelligence background

3933
02:55:42,550 --> 02:55:39,760
i i

3934
02:55:46,070 --> 02:55:42,560
still occasionally talk to him

3935
02:55:47,030 --> 02:55:46,080
and uh a few days after my appearance on

3936
02:55:50,469 --> 02:55:47,040
king

3937
02:55:52,790 --> 02:55:50,479
with jim oberg okay right and him and i

3938
02:55:54,550 --> 02:55:52,800
got into it pretty good

3939
02:55:57,510 --> 02:55:54,560
on that show

3940
02:56:00,070 --> 02:55:57,520
uh oberg was as far as i was concerned

3941
02:56:03,349 --> 02:56:00,080
nothing more than a nasa shill

3942
02:56:06,070 --> 02:56:03,359
okay contract scientist had been an air

3943
02:56:09,510 --> 02:56:06,080
force nuclear officer

3944
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:09,520
so he had the clearances all right

3945
02:56:14,150 --> 02:56:12,080
and uh he was

3946
02:56:16,309 --> 02:56:14,160
he was doing everything he could do to

3947
02:56:18,790 --> 02:56:16,319
make me look like a fool

3948
02:56:19,830 --> 02:56:18,800
on that program

3949
02:56:21,349 --> 02:56:19,840
but

3950
02:56:22,870 --> 02:56:21,359
after that

3951
02:56:24,830 --> 02:56:22,880
broadcast

3952
02:56:27,670 --> 02:56:24,840
i got a call from our

3953
02:56:29,429 --> 02:56:27,680
source and a few days later and he said

3954
02:56:32,150 --> 02:56:29,439
well what what have you heard about that

3955
02:56:33,910 --> 02:56:32,160
since you've been on larry king

3956
02:56:37,510 --> 02:56:33,920
and i said well i'll tell you the truth

3957
02:56:39,670 --> 02:56:37,520
pal i haven't heard a word

3958
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:39,680
he said well

3959
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:42,160
you'd be interested to know

3960
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:46,399
you managed to really piss off a bunch

3961
02:56:50,230 --> 02:56:48,240
of people at the pentagon with that

3962
02:56:52,389 --> 02:56:50,240
story

3963
02:56:55,269 --> 02:56:52,399
and i said i did

3964
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:55,279
he said oh yeah you did

3965
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:57,680
and guess what

3966
02:57:05,670 --> 02:57:00,319
right after that show

3967
02:57:07,670 --> 02:57:05,680
the link that had fed that live video

3968
02:57:10,389 --> 02:57:07,680
down from that mission

3969
02:57:13,190 --> 02:57:10,399
was encrypted

3970
02:57:15,269 --> 02:57:13,200
since my appearance on larry king live

3971
02:57:19,990 --> 02:57:15,279
in june of 92

3972
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:20,000
you have never seen another live feed

3973
02:57:23,810 --> 02:57:21,600
uncensored

3974
02:57:25,110 --> 02:57:23,820
from nasa ever

3975
02:57:27,429 --> 02:57:25,120
[Music]

3976
02:57:28,950 --> 02:57:27,439
so that told me all i needed to know

3977
02:57:30,389 --> 02:57:28,960
that there was something there you

3978
02:57:33,670 --> 02:57:30,399
better believe it

3979
02:57:35,670 --> 02:57:33,680
yeah that that video is is incredible i

3980
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:35,680
mean it it it looks like something's

3981
02:57:41,910 --> 02:57:38,720
getting fired on it it was yeah for sure

3982
02:57:43,510 --> 02:57:41,920
for sure back to the phobos uh uh

3983
02:57:46,550 --> 02:57:43,520
photograph though

3984
02:57:52,710 --> 02:57:46,560
um what went through your mind uh uh

3985
02:57:57,269 --> 02:57:55,590
honestly what went through my mind

3986
02:57:59,750 --> 02:57:57,279
i don't think we would want to piss

3987
02:58:03,269 --> 02:57:59,760
those guys off right

3988
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:03,279
right and they they they undoubtedly uh

3989
02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:05,520
took out phobos too

3990
02:58:11,269 --> 02:58:08,080
um now let's talk about phobos for a

3991
02:58:13,190 --> 02:58:11,279
second um you know buzz aldrin has been

3992
02:58:15,349 --> 02:58:13,200
pretty vocal about it

3993
02:58:17,510 --> 02:58:15,359
um and you look at the monolith on

3994
02:58:18,389 --> 02:58:17,520
phobos

3995
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:18,399
do you

3996
02:58:22,389 --> 02:58:19,520
think

3997
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:22,399
that that is a natural phenomenon or if

3998
02:58:27,429 --> 02:58:24,960
if it is you know the arthur c clarke

3999
02:58:29,269 --> 02:58:27,439
you know before i answer that let me let

4000
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:29,279
me give you a little vignette about uh

4001
02:58:33,910 --> 02:58:31,120
buzz

4002
02:58:35,990 --> 02:58:33,920
who was

4003
02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:36,000
the second human being to step out on

4004
02:58:38,950 --> 02:58:37,120
the moon

4005
02:58:40,790 --> 02:58:38,960
in apollo 11

4006
02:58:43,190 --> 02:58:40,800
okay immediately following neil

4007
02:58:47,269 --> 02:58:43,200
armstrong

4008
02:58:48,230 --> 02:58:47,279
passed on

4009
02:58:51,750 --> 02:58:48,240
when

4010
02:58:54,150 --> 02:58:51,760
we did the 2014 the truth revealed

4011
02:58:56,469 --> 02:58:54,160
aliens on the moon show

4012
02:58:59,190 --> 02:58:56,479
buzz aldrin appeared

4013
02:59:02,389 --> 02:58:59,200
on that program as rightly he should

4014
02:59:04,469 --> 02:59:02,399
have he was the second human being to

4015
02:59:05,750 --> 02:59:04,479
step on the moon

4016
02:59:07,429 --> 02:59:05,760
now

4017
02:59:10,790 --> 02:59:07,439
the producer

4018
02:59:13,510 --> 02:59:10,800
took to him my photograph

4019
02:59:15,830 --> 02:59:13,520
of the pipe running through the crater i

4020
02:59:17,510 --> 02:59:15,840
had mentioned earlier

4021
02:59:21,110 --> 02:59:17,520
and there were a number of other

4022
02:59:25,110 --> 02:59:21,120
photographs that showed one

4023
02:59:27,030 --> 02:59:25,120
jimmy showed an object

4024
02:59:30,070 --> 02:59:27,040
rolling up

4025
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:30,080
and out of a crater

4026
02:59:36,550 --> 02:59:32,000
crossing the lunar

4027
02:59:38,710 --> 02:59:36,560
landscape leaving a tread track mark in

4028
02:59:39,990 --> 02:59:38,720
the dirt

4029
02:59:41,830 --> 02:59:40,000
okay

4030
02:59:44,469 --> 02:59:41,840
a vehicle sometime the only thing it

4031
02:59:46,870 --> 02:59:44,479
could have been a vehicle

4032
02:59:48,950 --> 02:59:46,880
our vehicle not probably not maybe

4033
02:59:49,750 --> 02:59:48,960
somebody else's

4034
02:59:52,230 --> 02:59:49,760
when

4035
02:59:56,309 --> 02:59:52,240
the producer set those in front of

4036
02:59:58,950 --> 02:59:56,319
aldrin and asked him to comment on it he

4037
03:00:01,510 --> 02:59:58,960
violently twisted his head

4038
03:00:02,870 --> 03:00:01,520
and refused now listen to what i'm

4039
03:00:04,950 --> 03:00:02,880
telling you

4040
03:00:06,790 --> 03:00:04,960
he refused

4041
03:00:08,870 --> 03:00:06,800
to look at those

4042
03:00:10,469 --> 03:00:08,880
pictures

4043
03:00:12,469 --> 03:00:10,479
he said get him away from me get him

4044
03:00:14,150 --> 03:00:12,479
away from me i don't wanna no i'm not

4045
03:00:16,950 --> 03:00:14,160
looking at him

4046
03:00:18,230 --> 03:00:16,960
and then the only thing he would talk

4047
03:00:21,750 --> 03:00:18,240
about

4048
03:00:24,710 --> 03:00:21,760
was that thing on phobos on the moon

4049
03:00:26,630 --> 03:00:24,720
he wouldn't talk about the moon the guy

4050
03:00:28,870 --> 03:00:26,640
was the second human being to land on

4051
03:00:29,990 --> 03:00:28,880
the damn moon right and he wouldn't talk

4052
03:00:31,830 --> 03:00:30,000
about it

4053
03:00:33,670 --> 03:00:31,840
now what's that tell you

4054
03:00:35,429 --> 03:00:33,680
you gotta look at it what what does that

4055
03:00:39,190 --> 03:00:35,439
say

4056
03:00:42,389 --> 03:00:39,200
number one either somebody

4057
03:00:44,790 --> 03:00:42,399
got to him in a big way

4058
03:00:48,630 --> 03:00:46,550
somebody fiddled with their memories

4059
03:00:50,870 --> 03:00:48,640
when they came back from the moon

4060
03:00:53,990 --> 03:00:50,880
remember they were in isolation for

4061
03:00:58,950 --> 03:00:56,230
yeah they first came back that press

4062
03:00:59,990 --> 03:00:58,960
conference to this day

4063
03:01:02,389 --> 03:01:00,000
don

4064
03:01:04,630 --> 03:01:02,399
i look at that press conference and you

4065
03:01:06,950 --> 03:01:04,640
can tell

4066
03:01:08,550 --> 03:01:06,960
you could tell they were upset and

4067
03:01:10,389 --> 03:01:08,560
instead of

4068
03:01:12,630 --> 03:01:10,399
we just got back from the moon right

4069
03:01:15,269 --> 03:01:12,640
they should have been in party mode

4070
03:01:16,230 --> 03:01:15,279
they were the heroes of planet earth

4071
03:01:19,269 --> 03:01:16,240
right

4072
03:01:21,670 --> 03:01:19,279
and instead they were forlorn

4073
03:01:23,830 --> 03:01:21,680
right i can't explain it

4074
03:01:25,110 --> 03:01:23,840
how how disconnected they were at that

4075
03:01:27,110 --> 03:01:25,120
press conference

4076
03:01:29,510 --> 03:01:27,120
well i i think

4077
03:01:32,070 --> 03:01:29,520
in part it's because

4078
03:01:33,110 --> 03:01:32,080
they encountered things

4079
03:01:35,110 --> 03:01:33,120
that

4080
03:01:37,349 --> 03:01:35,120
they simply couldn't comprehend when

4081
03:01:39,110 --> 03:01:37,359
they got up there they were being

4082
03:01:41,510 --> 03:01:39,120
observed

4083
03:01:44,070 --> 03:01:41,520
somebody was keeping an eye on what they

4084
03:01:45,349 --> 03:01:44,080
were doing

4085
03:01:48,389 --> 03:01:45,359
the uh

4086
03:01:50,550 --> 03:01:48,399
back to the monolith um

4087
03:01:52,070 --> 03:01:50,560
i want to ask you this kind of directly

4088
03:01:55,590 --> 03:01:52,080
we're out of time

4089
03:01:56,950 --> 03:01:55,600
um when we look at uh 2001 of space

4090
03:01:59,190 --> 03:01:56,960
odyssey by the way today's the

4091
03:02:02,790 --> 03:01:59,200
anniversary uh this is

4092
03:02:05,670 --> 03:02:02,800
uh this was the date of the premiere um

4093
03:02:07,750 --> 03:02:05,680
worldwide of 2001 a space odyssey the

4094
03:02:09,990 --> 03:02:07,760
the considerations of the monolith and

4095
03:02:12,469 --> 03:02:10,000
how it's presented by arthur c clarke

4096
03:02:14,389 --> 03:02:12,479
who i think knew things by the way

4097
03:02:15,590 --> 03:02:14,399
but the way that he presented the

4098
03:02:19,670 --> 03:02:15,600
monolith

4099
03:02:21,190 --> 03:02:19,680
um not only uh here on earth but how

4100
03:02:22,550 --> 03:02:21,200
it's revealed

4101
03:02:26,710 --> 03:02:22,560
on the moon

4102
03:02:28,230 --> 03:02:26,720
and then this object is there on phobos

4103
03:02:30,630 --> 03:02:28,240
it seems

4104
03:02:32,389 --> 03:02:30,640
beyond coincidence do you think that

4105
03:02:34,230 --> 03:02:32,399
arthur knew something and do you think

4106
03:02:37,510 --> 03:02:34,240
that this monolith

4107
03:02:38,790 --> 03:02:37,520
is is artificial that it is an uh

4108
03:02:42,469 --> 03:02:38,800
some type of

4109
03:02:43,510 --> 03:02:42,479
intelligence uh well obviously i i have

4110
03:02:49,429 --> 03:02:43,520
no

4111
03:02:50,309 --> 03:02:49,439
i've looked at that object whatever it

4112
03:02:53,590 --> 03:02:50,319
is

4113
03:02:56,550 --> 03:02:53,600
as closely as i was able and it was on

4114
03:03:00,870 --> 03:02:56,560
computer screens okay so

4115
03:03:03,030 --> 03:03:00,880
i was limited there it looks artificial

4116
03:03:04,630 --> 03:03:03,040
uh

4117
03:03:07,349 --> 03:03:04,640
i would be

4118
03:03:09,670 --> 03:03:07,359
more than fascinated if if i could

4119
03:03:11,590 --> 03:03:09,680
examine something like that close up

4120
03:03:12,790 --> 03:03:11,600
apparently it's pretty big yeah it's

4121
03:03:14,389 --> 03:03:12,800
pretty big

4122
03:03:18,070 --> 03:03:14,399
human being yeah

4123
03:03:20,550 --> 03:03:18,080
and you would think don uh that with the

4124
03:03:23,030 --> 03:03:20,560
technology that we have today we've got

4125
03:03:24,950 --> 03:03:23,040
the mars surveyor program and and other

4126
03:03:27,030 --> 03:03:24,960
countries that are mapping and

4127
03:03:29,269 --> 03:03:27,040
photographing everything that they can

4128
03:03:32,550 --> 03:03:29,279
out and mars that they would have gone

4129
03:03:34,630 --> 03:03:32,560
back and and and done some high-res how

4130
03:03:35,429 --> 03:03:34,640
about a live stream

4131
03:03:38,230 --> 03:03:35,439
right

4132
03:03:40,070 --> 03:03:38,240
why why did we go back to the moon in 96

4133
03:03:41,429 --> 03:03:40,080
with clementine

4134
03:03:43,269 --> 03:03:41,439
completely

4135
03:03:44,950 --> 03:03:43,279
re-photograph

4136
03:03:46,950 --> 03:03:44,960
the entire moon

4137
03:03:49,670 --> 03:03:46,960
with the most sophisticated spy

4138
03:03:51,110 --> 03:03:49,680
satellites that american technology

4139
03:03:53,590 --> 03:03:51,120
could produce

4140
03:03:55,670 --> 03:03:53,600
then keep most of those photographs

4141
03:03:58,309 --> 03:03:55,680
under lock and key

4142
03:04:00,070 --> 03:03:58,319
not a good reason why

4143
03:04:01,830 --> 03:04:00,080
they went back

4144
03:04:03,349 --> 03:04:01,840
and you know i i was going to tell you

4145
03:04:06,070 --> 03:04:03,359
about my buddy

4146
03:04:08,070 --> 03:04:06,080
dr john brandenburg physicist

4147
03:04:08,950 --> 03:04:08,080
uh

4148
03:04:12,550 --> 03:04:08,960
who

4149
03:04:15,030 --> 03:04:12,560
incidentally was also the guy

4150
03:04:17,510 --> 03:04:15,040
that discovered and we we don't have

4151
03:04:19,590 --> 03:04:17,520
time tonight but the guy that discovered

4152
03:04:21,269 --> 03:04:19,600
that somebody set off two nuclear

4153
03:04:22,630 --> 03:04:21,279
detonations

4154
03:04:25,510 --> 03:04:22,640
on mars

4155
03:04:28,950 --> 03:04:25,520
proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt

4156
03:04:32,070 --> 03:04:28,960
okay sometime in the distant past two

4157
03:04:34,790 --> 03:04:32,080
nuclear detonations on mars

4158
03:04:36,550 --> 03:04:34,800
but brandenburg was the administrative

4159
03:04:38,309 --> 03:04:36,560
assistant to the director of the

4160
03:04:39,670 --> 03:04:38,319
clementine mission

4161
03:04:41,990 --> 03:04:39,680
and they

4162
03:04:44,230 --> 03:04:42,000
were not even allowed

4163
03:04:45,429 --> 03:04:44,240
to see the photographs that were coming

4164
03:04:48,070 --> 03:04:45,439
back

4165
03:04:49,429 --> 03:04:48,080
from that mission they had them locked

4166
03:04:52,710 --> 03:04:49,439
away

4167
03:04:53,910 --> 03:04:52,720
so jimmy yeah here's the bottom line pal

4168
03:04:55,269 --> 03:04:53,920
you want to know the bottom line i'm

4169
03:04:56,710 --> 03:04:55,279
going to tell you the bottom line right

4170
03:04:58,070 --> 03:04:56,720
now for everybody

4171
03:04:59,830 --> 03:04:58,080
give it to me don

4172
03:05:01,670 --> 03:04:59,840
we are being

4173
03:05:03,750 --> 03:05:01,680
kept

4174
03:05:05,110 --> 03:05:03,760
in what is known as the mushroom

4175
03:05:09,269 --> 03:05:05,120
syndrome

4176
03:05:12,790 --> 03:05:09,279
kept in the dark and fed copious amounts

4177
03:05:15,110 --> 03:05:12,800
of bovine excrement in every endeavor in

4178
03:05:18,150 --> 03:05:15,120
american society

4179
03:05:20,150 --> 03:05:18,160
don ecker now don i can't wait for our

4180
03:05:21,830 --> 03:05:20,160
next conversation on the show and i'll

4181
03:05:23,830 --> 03:05:21,840
let everybody know

4182
03:05:25,910 --> 03:05:23,840
that uh what don and i discussed the

4183
03:05:28,630 --> 03:05:25,920
next subject he said would actually take

4184
03:05:31,510 --> 03:05:28,640
about four months of air time

4185
03:05:34,230 --> 03:05:31,520
so we will do just that next time around

4186
03:05:35,750 --> 03:05:34,240
don and we'll focus on one subject and

4187
03:05:38,070 --> 03:05:35,760
have a lot of fun with it thank you so

4188
03:05:40,070 --> 03:05:38,080
much and thank you for everything that

4189
03:05:42,230 --> 03:05:40,080
you have brought to this community and

4190
03:05:43,030 --> 03:05:42,240
our planet thank you so much sir thank

4191
03:05:45,429 --> 03:05:43,040
you

4192
03:05:47,670 --> 03:05:45,439
don ecker and with that we just want

4193
03:05:49,190 --> 03:05:47,680
polled to poll i've got to get straight

4194
03:05:51,830 --> 03:05:49,200
out of here and get to the credits i'm

4195
03:05:54,790 --> 03:05:51,840
going to thank don and don show dark

4196
03:05:57,830 --> 03:05:54,800
matters radio friday evenings

4197
03:05:59,510 --> 03:05:57,840
on k-u-n-x

4198
03:06:01,190 --> 03:05:59,520
you can get all your information over at

4199
03:06:03,429 --> 03:06:01,200
the nx network

4200
03:06:05,030 --> 03:06:03,439
right there for don ecker i want to

4201
03:06:07,269 --> 03:06:05,040
thank tom for coming in tonight and of

4202
03:06:11,670 --> 03:06:07,279
course staying through

4203
03:06:14,710 --> 03:06:11,680
to overtime faded black is produced by

4204
03:06:16,630 --> 03:06:14,720
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4205
03:06:19,510 --> 03:06:16,640
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4206
03:06:21,590 --> 03:06:19,520
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4207
03:06:23,230 --> 03:06:21,600
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4208
03:06:25,510 --> 03:06:23,240
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4209
03:06:28,150 --> 03:06:25,520
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4210
03:06:30,389 --> 03:06:28,160
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4211
03:06:32,150 --> 03:06:30,399
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4212
03:06:33,830 --> 03:06:32,160
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4213
03:06:35,349 --> 03:06:33,840
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4214
03:06:37,030 --> 03:06:35,359
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4215
03:06:39,110 --> 03:06:37,040
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4216
03:06:41,670 --> 03:06:39,120
your host jimmy church tomorrow night i

4217
03:06:44,389 --> 03:06:41,680
haven't done this in six years

4218
03:06:47,110 --> 03:06:44,399
we're going to discuss the flat earth

4219
03:06:48,870 --> 03:06:47,120
is flat earth still a thing good thing i

4220
03:06:50,230 --> 03:06:48,880
didn't do that tonight with don ecker

4221
03:06:51,910 --> 03:06:50,240
that would have been a whole nother show

4222
03:06:53,910 --> 03:06:51,920
this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

4223
03:06:55,190 --> 03:06:53,920
church until tomorrow night i want you

4224
03:06:59,080 --> 03:06:55,200
to be safe

4225
03:07:10,310 --> 03:06:59,090
it's time to fade to black